to be worried about Universal Credit

[idiuntno57]

I am in the lucky position of not needing to claim this but I am so worried about its implementation.

Its coming in in the Autumn and is going to be an online only, monthly, postdated payment. It will be paid to one adult in the family unit.

All well and did if you are god at managing your money, internet literate and in a stable relationship. But in the real world....

How are the most vulnerable in society going to have a chance with this?

Already the council tax changes are coming in and as far as I understand people are confused and shell shocked by it. UC is much bigger and no one is prepared.

Labour bought votes by borrowing money to pay people thousands for not working and we now need to ensure that the message that people need to work is out there and that working pays. Benefits should be there for those too disabled to work or those that need short term help between jobs. Its no longer going to be choice to not work or claim you cant as you have children etc.

I agree with this happy mum labour denfitaly used these payemnts to bribe the supposed core demarapghic

Shesariver, nothing to do with Tory progaganda. A quick search on here alone shows that people on benefits have these things and the entitled to website shows just how much people net in benefits if you put in a fake scenario. Very easy to find facts out nowadays rather than blindly believe everything polititions say.

Happyinherts, and what would you have done if you couldn't work? If your health had prevented you from doing this to get your feet under the table? Some people are on benefits because they have to be right now. People like that aren't going to be able prepare by looking for a freelance job.

It is Tory propaganda that is turning people against people based on the few that abuse the system. There is no way that you can claim everyone on benefits is living the life of riley with holidays and Sky Tv etc, because its not true. Life on benefits is a struggle for lots of people, some of whom I work with. Thats a "fact" to me.

Happymummyofone, people on benefits were real people too once you know? They could have bought it a million years ago. I have a laptop, I'm on benefits. I bought it in 2005 when I was starting university. I would never be able to afford another computer on benefits.

"more needs to be done about childcare" We have lots of choices for childcare in the UK and even have state support towards costs for those low incomes and tax relief for those that self support. Thousands manage to work without free family childcare every day.

I dont think it should be down to the state to sort childcare, parents know when they have children that they are expensive and it takes two minutes to find out childcare costs from the internet or a quick call to the local nursery. Far too many have children without the means to support them, either at the time or should circumstances change. Of course, its then not their fault but the states.

Sneezing- my comments weren't aimed at the genuinely disabled whom I would very much hope that no government would pull the rug out from under their feet.

I was aiming comments at the "woe is me brigade" who will have a shock awaiting them one day when their youngest child doesn't qualify them for any benefit either in work related or out of work. That day will come for all families and needs addressing as early as possible.

SneezingwakestheJesus the problem is then when you backs agaisnt the wall you dont yell i have no money and demand the goverment give you more you sell what you have

I think people bulk at people who say they cant feed there children yet hve a 500 i phone the answer is sell the i phone and by a cheap one i just cant take anyone seriously who has sky but cant feed themeless or there children

When we have no money the first thing that gose is the sky

And i know for my sister who somkes they are the first thing in her house that gose

Nice to see all the tory supporters are out in force again. Talking their usual shit about sky tv and mobile phones.

Staggered by Bochead's broth post.
Wtf is it doing here, in 2013? I am sickened.

I will add to it, though. Get some value tins of tomatoes.....you can get cheapo ones in which some of the tomatoes are a bit orange or yellow, instead of all being red.

If you can, bag a cheap slow cooker to save energy when you're making your broth.

Start researching wild food....a friend of mine loves wild garlic and uses it in a variety of soups, for example.

We're ok for now, no benefits, both earn a decent wedge, but I am mightily pissed off that there are those who aren't. I don't know when the UC is coming to Oxfordshire, but there are pockets of deprivation here that are going to turn ugly.

I find it worrying that Scameron has got to these people so much. For a start there are very many more people in work claiming benefits than there are out of work. The myth that families haven't worked for generations is a myth. Benefit fraud is pretty low. The greatest part of the benefits bill is pensioners. For the tories here

if it is patronizing to say that vulnerable people are at risk then I am being patronizing.

What really worries me about the right wing why should I pay attitude us that it is soo blinkered. We exist in community with fellow citizens not some sort of sealed bubble. The system is going to effect the most vulnerable and the less vulnerable will feel that effect.

Dawndonna there are familes who havent work for generations And is certianly not a myth talk to any social worker ,prioson officer or teacher or police men there are sadly plently of families were the father ,son and now grand son have never done a days work in there life

And that the left that people wont accept there are is part of the problem why people have turned labour basically buried there head in the sand over this issue

It's not talking shit though it is RL. People are on benefits with contract Iphones and do go out raving and drinking most weekends, even if I wasn't out I still had my fags and wine. I know as I did it, I know because my step sister now does it. I had sky tv too (wish I could afford it now!) and holidays. Thats why I cannot take seriously someone saying they can't afford to feed their dc on benefits.

Thats not to say it wasn't a struggle it was and the weekly money made it worse being hand to mouth every week instead of having your money and sorting out your monthly bills.

CB isn't changing over to UC btw so there will be a small amount of change to live on (I think mines about £30 PW) and housing ass are not going to kick anyone out for being a month behind, what I assume will happen is a payment plan and DD's will be set up and anyone who gets behind will have loads of support and help paying their rent from housing officers.

idiuntno57 perosnally i dont mond paying

Just not for ever
Not for many many chikdren
And not if the said person /family are making zero effort tp change there stance

And yes I agree with whoever said this is a patronising post, it is the majority of people on benefits are not stupid.

Domjolly, I'd love to have stuff to sell to cover the £968 that we won't receive in that dead month. I don't. I don't have sky, my phone is a smartphone but its not mine to sell (borrowed), I might get £20 for my old laptop if I'm lucky and I have a big backed telly that I'd probably struggle to give away never mind sell. Not everyone has a house of things to sell.

Happyinherts, that's one of the problems I have. I'm not classed as disabled which means I am automatically lumped in with the woe is me brigade as people assume I am making it up to stay on benefits despite the fact I receive treatment etc. I can't work, I am not assessed for my health as its easier for them to leave me in the "single parent under 5" slot for now so I will have the rug pulled out from under me and get lumped in with fraudsters and career benefit cheats at the same time. Its quite a horrible situation. I just cling to the hope that I will get 100% better so I can get a job, any job, soon!

Keeping people for a year or two fair play
Kepping those who have chikdren before they fall on hard times also fair play but i cant abide keeping those who choose to incress there number whilest on welfare and expect other people to foot the bill

Also happy to help those who have made hard choice eg cutting back there own life style but not those who want to carry on smoking, or have yes sky

and this thread wasn't about the morality of benefits but the practical implications of this new system.

it is not up to us to make value judgements about benefit claimants. Its up to us to support the weak, old, vulnerable, oppressed etc. because we are civilised.

SneezingwakestheJesus you get £969 a month really i am intrested

Is that on top of dinner tickets
Uniofrm grants

Or including those ?

idiuntno57 so the tax payer bascially should just shut up and pay and not ask any questions of the people who are asking for the money

Not everybody on benefits is weak old and vulnerable mostly people on benefits are normal people on hard times and don't wish to be stuck. The way the system is at the moment means with the weekly payments you get stuck and trapped and feel you can't get a job because your security of weekly money is took away. The system keeps you dependent.

Domjolly, I have one child under 5 so can assure you £968 is all I receive. No school dinners or uniform allowance. Housing benefit, child tax credit, child benefit and income support.

Its like talking to a wall.