Angry another attack on sahm mum!

[mam29]

I was worried about new childcare arrangements and its got high limit earn up to 150k but both parents have to be working.

Im guessing from this article the current childcare voucher scheme being phased out

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21833929

where exactly are these term time jobs and cheap flexible childcare.

where are all these jobs that dont seem to require person to be fully flexible.

had 1st in 2006 went back full time when she was one in 2007.
fulltime place 52weeks nursery was 9000 a year you can claim relief up to 6k.

used vouchers

quit work after no 2 used vouchers for preschool education who had reduced to 1day a week doing nursery.

child no 2 started 1day a week from 18months and nursery been really good for her development. its £40 a day so 160 on 4week month.

husband used couchers as he works fulltime saves us a little.

child 2 now gets 15hour funding which helps.

was hoping to start child no 3 and use childcare vouchers now looks like cant do that and might have to wait until fnding term after 3rd birthday which think is bit late.

To make matters worse child no 2 has september birthday so missed this sept school year by 16days so have year extra paying childcare.

we lucky we dident lose child benefit as at moment we below 50k
we lost £10 a week childcare tax credits last april.

feel sorry for sahm mum whos husnand earns over 50k loses cb and now childcare vouchers yet they say preschool education is important and good for educational outcomes.

we very much feeling squeezed middle tonight as we just about get by each month as we privatly rent too.

As I said on a previous thread. I have had some experience in recruiting for a part time role. Should have had a ton of responses and did. Some of which had nothing to say about what they could offer and I threw in the bin mispelt CV's.

I knew the role was going to attract women looking to go back to work. We decided to interview 10.

Three didnt turn up, one rang to say that despite the interview being set for one day asked if she could come seperately as she needed to take her child to the GP and one came to the interview asking if she could do the role at home because she would then be able to look after her two under 5's at the same time...., We employed a man in the end.....

I mean I take it all you supposedly intelligent working women do understand the concept of a tax deductable expense? Well bollocks to this thread anyway. I have pointed out reasons why a SAHP may need to benefit from a modest reduction in childcare costs, in order to try to get that all important paying job, and STILL I get shouted down. I give up, I really do. Just you carry on congratulating yourselves and let the poor foot the bill for your double lifestyle choices instead.

Hand up - I paid a lot of childcare out of taxable income and when the changes came in - well £243 isnt that much relief when you are paying nearly £1500 per month.

all these decisions and threads are a smokescreen to what is actually happening :(

we also have people discussing feminism and why these women become sahms and in the same breath a father who is working with wife/partner at home (for whatever reason) cannot claim the vouchers or costs towards childcare - why not? do they not qualify as a parent somehow? double standards/1950s

I ahve said before I have only recently become a sahm, mine are 13, 11 and 5. The eldest has severe and complex disabilities including medical. I get no family support. We could often do with childcare, but we have never been able to claim it - even when I was working, which is a shame because the taxpayer still has to pay for it but it comes out of social services budget instead

In Wales it is 10 hours free care. And only in some cases from the age of nearly 4. Why should families who choose to have two earners get more than those free hours?

Actually gaelic - taxpayers are funding your lifestyle choice. How is it that some people do manage to get a role when others dont. Just look at my previous post where I mention recruiting for a part time role. Its just the sense of entitlement that I found so shocking and the ones that didnt even bother to turn up clearly didnt want the role.

Doesnt Wales and Scotland have free prescriptions for all and I know that Scotland has no university fees for people in Scotland so it is swings and roundabouts.

And gaelic - why should a SAHM get free childcare? They have chosen to stay at home. We would all like to do certain things without children. A trip to a supermarket comes to light but surely you arent suggesting that someone else pays for this luxury. If you really cannot manage what about online supermarkets...

And the reason that two earners get more is that they put more in.....

If I didnt work and became a SAHM I wouldnt pay my tax because I wouldnt have any income.

Oh change the record maisiejoe. Taxpayers are not funding my family any more than yours. I can't believe I am wasting my time conversing with people like you frankly.

I must admit I do wonder sometimes how many of these working mums that slate sahms use their own mothers and mother in laws for childcare anyway because having been a working mum myself and have friends who are, I know a very high percentage rely on their own mums/mils and yetthese threads never reflect that

As I said further up, I know many mothers who have recently gone back to work for low paid, school hours jobs. Many have said that they just want to make up their lost child benefit payments. Surely this is going to make it much harder for families where no one works or where one works for very low pay to secure work for themselves.

I never did btw, rely on my mother or mil. Chance would have been a fine thing :)

maisiejoe, what about the childrens father? why can he not claim them if he pays tax?

SAHPs may benefit from a small subsidy, via their earning partner, that helps them get the job you believe so deeply they should have! How you can object to that is beyond me quite frankly, but then almost nothing surprises me on here any more.

"And gaelic - why should a SAHM get free childcare? They have chosen to stay at home. We would all like to do certain things without children. A trip to a supermarket comes to light but surely you arent suggesting that someone else pays for this luxury. If you really cannot manage what about online supermarkets... "
Why should a worker get subsidised child are? Do they not get a salary in recompense for the work they do?

I've ft nursery nice 6mth old,dont use granny.it's too long a day up at 6am

I think that two high earning parents claiming a child care subsidy is greedy, particularly when there are many families with bugger all.

Maisie joe get off your high horse.

I used to be store manager pre kida and after no1.
As an employer in retail I employed and interveiwed lots of mums wanting part time jobs.
Yes there were some who were hard work or dident seem overly keen but thats no reason to tar all other sahm mums with same brush.

I think sometimes the longet they been out of job market harder it is for them they lose confidence, worry how they will balance it and need to reskill and retrain.

Surly unemployed people have great sense oif entitlement than middle income mum who receives no more than child benefit.

Gaelic sheep you make good points.
why intelligant women cant see the unfairness of it,

why we suddenly enemy no 1.

I had no idea that childcare was less in wales. Noticed lot of primarys have state nursery class which is rare here its either prechool or private day nusery. Will ask my welsh freinds.
One freind who worked part time and her husband used to get childcare element or tax credits but thats gone since last april.

jesus, where else in the world does anyone use the words "lifestyle choice" apart from being arsey on mumsnet?

Conversely a housewife who's economically inactive doesn't need free childcare
Working parents are engine of economy,who make financial contribution unlike housewives

Oh I agree. Sahms don't need free child are. Working parents don't need subsidised child care. Is it better for someone who feels financially worse off working, to work?

sm have you mentioned precious moments yet?

She possibly off having one at the moment ;)

do they scottishmummy? I eventually got to a point where I had to take on hours below the tax threshold. Was I an engine of economy? and like mam29, I worked as a manager in retail too. I was not alone in working below the tax threshold

Good points owl lady.

1 higher rate taxpayer makes a significant contribution they are a parent the dad has just as much responsability inrelationship child is 50/50 so changes with childcare vouchers are wrong.

I hate goerge osourne raises good point. I know lots middleclass mums who dont need trhe 2nd incokme who have term time jobs.

Owl lady I think same thing most of mums I kmow ho work fully amdit they couldent do so without family.

How have the two high earning parents got to that position if there are no roles as some claim.

If you choose to SAHM you have huge benefits in terms of the family. Your DP can concentrate on their career without having to worry about doing the pick up every Monday because you have a team meeting. You can always make school meetings and parents evenings.

During the day for the vast majority your time is your own. Please dont start quoting cooking, washing etc that you need to do. We ALL need to do that. Someone earlier said that once they had done the school runs, the food shopping, the cooking and going to the gym (!!) there was little time to do anything else.....

And actually it is quite unusual to have two high earning parents. Childcare is so expensive it often isnt worth one parent working (which tbh is another issue).