To think these school rules are OTT?

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The Tesco store on X road is out of bounds to pupils in uniform, including before and after school.

Pupils may not eat or drink in school uniform on public transport or whilst walking.

So DD can't grab me a loaf of bread in Tesco on her way home, or have a banana on her walk home. Are schools allowed to dictate what pupils do in their own time like this?

The thing is, if it is actually Tesco doing the banning on kids in school uniform to stop there being hoards of kids then as I said unthread, the kids at my school have it sorted: Every single one of the naughty kids pops on a hoodie before leaving school premises so could invade Tesco in their masses with no problem at all!! (please note that the word 'invade' was meant light heartedly!)

marq I said after about five posts of "no, those rules are fine", that I was wrong to think they are OTT.

So having a drink of water is anti social is it atthewelles? FGS It is the school being OTT like the O.P. very reasonably says.

Where did I say that ppeatfruit? I was replying to a poster who pointed out that adults also drop litter on the street after eating.

Who's going to regulate the rule about eating outside school. Are they going to have staff follow them all the way home, just to make sure they don't eat or drink anything.

I pointed that out about the adults and the school says no eating or drinking. Exactly Still18atheart.

There are loads of rules that apply to children that don't apply to adults! And a damn good thing too!

Well what do you want them to do ppeatfruit. Say 'no eating or drinking unless you're eating or drinking x,y or z'. They either make a rule or they don't. When I was a child there was no bottled water and none of us died of dehydration on the way home from school. We're not living in the Sahara Desert.

an awful lot of children are never exposed to the nuances of social etiquette in a variety of situations. please and thank you...different ranges of verbal engagement; how to talk to s shopkeeper or service provider politely: how to talk to customers; how to talk to a bank/insurance company...how to think about how they impact on the world. we infantilise them not to expect them to understand that you behave in different ways in different circs. teaching kids that while in school uniform they must behave in a certain way is vital for kids social development. the amount of kids ive had applying for jobs who have been completely uneducated about how public personas work is shocking. no you little tike, im not your mum and this is the third time you are late so farewell. b these are not teenagers either...all brought up with an utter sense of entitlement to be as rude and stroppy with bosses/clients/customers and for whom mundane tasks are beneath them. spoilt lazy and unemployable. this is a massive problem.

Yeah most kids are a load of anti social tossers. You are forgetting that they are a product of their parents MadameDefarge

It's nothing to do with being anti social tossers. Honestly, a supermarket with 300 of the most well behaved teenagers in the world queuing up to buy bottles of water and bananas and pints of milk and loaves of bread is not a particularly pleasant place.

I understand that seeker IMO and E most supermarkets are not pleasant places anyway especially when filled with 'normal' customers and their huge trollies at the weekends. There are ways that the supermarkets could organise it so all the DCs don't go in at once. The schools could probably stagger their home times as well.

i dont forget it all. many parents dont bother. then undermine school who try to pick up the slack then wonder why little johnny cant get a job. most kids are perfecty capabe ofadult behaviour as even young teens. its disrespectful to them and society to not give them a chance to just function as a member ofsociety where comprimise is necessary and really NOT THAT BIG A DEAL...rather than treating them like young adults who, illness aside will not expire from lack of snacking opps on the way home but will learn valuable lessons about just getting o with it even if its annoying...because much of life is going to be like that. not getting frothy about schools rules.

We will have to agree to differ MadameDefarge IMVHO if you treat DCs like shit then they tend to behave in shitty way. I include their parents in this.I was well bought up but I always remember how humiliated the ridiculous school rules made me feel,they certainly didn't make me want to behave responsibly it was my parents who treated me properly who did that.

I honestly don't see why supermarkets should have to put extra security or arrangements in place or schools should have to stagger their going home times to prevent pupils from the minor inconvenience of not being able to go into the local Tesco while wearing their school uniform. It won't kill them. In fact, it will do some of them no harm to realise that they're not welcome everywhere. Have you ever been stuck on a bus with a big gang of kids on their way home from school? They act as if they own the bus; shouting, throwing things around, banging on windows when they see someone they know out on the street, showing off because they have a captive audience, effing and blinding at the tops of their voices etc etc. It's like a unique form of torture.

A lot of small shops do that though atthewelles staggering school hours SHOULD happen at both ends of the day IMO it might help the traffic run more smoothly .The O.P. doesn't see why her DC can't get a loaf of bread from the supermarket (i suppose she could go to a small shop they NEED the custom).

its time we respected our children and their abilities rather than infantilising by saying following a couple of rules is unfair and against their human rights...while being realistic about possible thoughtless behaviour on their part. not demonising. not coddling.

I know i sound like ranty McRanty! thing is i have had to sack really nice kids simply because the business would have collapsed if i had tried to fill in those knowledge gaps...i didnt have the time.

I know i sound like ranty McRanty! thing is i have had to sack really nice kids simply because the business would have collapsed if i had tried to fill in those knowledge gaps...i didnt have the time.

we shall have to disagree on the idea of introducing societal epectations is treating them like shit.

we shall have to disagree on the idea of introducing societal epectations is treating them like shit.

Going against the grain to say I find this kind of obsessive policing of children's behaviour ridiculous.

YANBU OP

"its time we respected our children and their abilities rather than infantilising "

I agree with your sentiment MadameDefarge but I think giving them rules like that is infantilising them - don't you think if kids don't get a chance to knock the edges off their social skills at school-age they then get to work age having to do it then?

Ridiculous rules. I'd be complaining to the school. Pointless, unenforceable and stupid.

Since when does eating or going into a supermarket compromise anyone's standards? It's bollocks.

That 'only two schoolchildren at a time rule' in shops is really offensive imo. Lets treat kids properly and treat offenders accordingly rather than draconian rubbish that assumes they're all little savages.

Its not an assumption that they're all savages, it's a recognition that when a gang of teenagers get together the badly behaved ones often set the tone. The kids seem to be perfectly welcome in Tescos when they're not in school uniform ie when they're less likely to be part of a large group with the more dominant ones holding sway.