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To use my title

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ArtemisatBrauron · 03/03/2013 09:35

I have a PhD and use my title - I was thinking of just using it at work but decided consistency was best and changed it with the bank etc as well. I've recently had several snide comments about it as well as a few family members and work colleagues who continue to address me/write to me as Mrs Brauron. I haven't corrected them because it seems rude, but it annoys me - AIBU?

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MedicPeso · 03/03/2013 20:18

cally, I agree with your point about being completely normal, and hopefully other completely normal might see me, and see that they could do it too.

I'm bowing out now, this thread is going in circles.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/03/2013 20:21

It's very hard to separate work and hotels/bank cards, for obvious reasons.

Procrastinating · 03/03/2013 20:24

Cally one of my many driving instructors told me that people with lots of education are the ones who struggle most with driving. Something to do with the way you learn to think rather than respond, according to him.

It took me years to pass my test and then I only managed it in an automatic, so yes, driving much more difficult than the doctorate.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/03/2013 20:27

Ah, fuck. I'm quite a decent driver though I did take a while to pass (two tests). Does that mean I'll fail my viva?

GrendelsMum · 03/03/2013 20:27

I think more women should be out and proud about being Professors, too.

And that no-one, when introduced as Prof so and so who has done a great deal of important work for women's equality at the University in addition to her own important research, should look down at her shoes and mutter, 'oh, it was nothing really'.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/03/2013 20:27

Btw, Jeremy Clarkson has a doctorate. Ish.

Wabbitty · 03/03/2013 20:28

Stolen from another website "PhD are the only people to whom the title is a right. It is honorary for Dentists just as it is honorary for Medics ( a fact that is totally missed in consultation and discussion!!)

The bastardisation of Dr by medics has been so successful to the extent that doctor means medic not PhD."

aquashiv · 03/03/2013 20:33

Oh titles are odlfashioned twaddle but well done for being getting a PHD and if its important to you ofcourse you should use for sure.

Procrastinating · 03/03/2013 20:42

You will be fine LRD, you did it in the right order! According to driving instructor passing the driving test becomes a problem post PhD.

Clarkson's PhD - was it an honorary one? Honorary PhDs are an outrage.

Lucyellensmum95 · 03/03/2013 20:43

oooh interesting about the driving - i have a PhD and can't drive!

TheCollieDog · 03/03/2013 20:48

I think the thing of an academic 'dr' being called up for first aid in an emergency on a plane is utter bollocks, btw - maybe it happened once, but these days I have never been on a plane it's not simply been that they ask medics to identify themselves

Yes, it's ridiculous! actually, I was an hour late on my already 6 hour epic commute (to do the job which gives me an apparently pretentious title!) late Friday night, when the train guard's call came for a "medically qualified" person - a doctor or nurse. They didn't come running for me even though my train ticket had the dreaded "Dr" on it ... (actually apparently it was an asthma attack & I know all too well how to deal with those ...)

But as others have said, do we REALLY think a bloke would be judged in this way? By other men? I very much doubt it.

TheCollieDog · 03/03/2013 20:55

I have heard other people (on a recent Twitter argument) say that the title is alienating

Gosh! how weird! Do they think that a medico calling him/herself doctor is alienating? Or a dentist or a vet? (these people calling themselves doctor always makes me snigger).

Anti-intellectualism still reigns. Depressing.

ArtemisatBrauron · 03/03/2013 20:55

I can't drive either! Have had loooads of lessons but still not ready to take the test, how weird!
Thanks for all the opinions guys, I had no idea that this would raise such a debate and I really do appreciate everyone taking the time to comment. Lots to think about, but in the end I know I agree most with badbride's excellent summary and wish I was cool enough to have put it like that myself in the first place.

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badbride · 03/03/2013 20:55

redwelly Thanks Smile Glad you liked my posts! I agree that the genderless aspect of Dr can be a huge boost to women working in male-dominated sectors. And I second Cally's sentiment that having visible role models is vital to inspiring young folk, especially girls, and to show that academia is open to anyone, regardless of their background.

Which brings me on to Goal's comment about "people thinking they are being terribly clever by not letting on what their gender is". I don't mean to be rude, but I think you are missing the point. Women who use Dr as a gender-neutral title aren't hugging themselves because they think hiding their gender is clever. They do so because gender stereotyping is still shockingly prevalent in our society, even in supposedly right-on sectors such as academia.

Take this study, where academics of both sexes were asked to rate the capabilities of a job applicant for a lab manager post, based on reading a CV. The CVs they were given were absolutely identical, save one details: half the CVs detailed a female name, half a male one. The academics (even the women) routinely rated the "male" applicant as being more competent, more employable and would offer him a higher starting salary than the "female" applicant.

These were academics who honestly didn't believe they had any gender-based biases. But they were biased, because years of cultural stereotyping about women being less competent/ worse at science than men had subconsciously affected their decision-making.

THIS is why women should not be shy about calling themselves 'Dr": because it will build a critical mass of academic visibility that will one day make all of this gender crap history.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/03/2013 21:00

I think doctors can be alienating, collie?

badbride · 03/03/2013 21:02

Artemis Thanks for you too Smile

badbride · 03/03/2013 21:04

Collie "do we REALLY think a bloke would be judged in this way? By other men? I very much doubt it."

Don't you bet on it. I have visions of male academics getting their doctorates out and seeing who's got the largest one Smile

wherearemysocka · 03/03/2013 21:12

I was a bridesmaid at my friend's wedding a while back. The previous year she had slogged her way to achieving a PhD whilst fighting serious ilness at the same time. Her achieving that doctorate was a massive achievement.

Whilst they were signing the register the vicar made a big deal of saying 'oooh, this is the last time you'll ever sign MISS......' to my friend. 'It's Doctor, actually', I piped up. Damn right she was going to get credit for what she'd achieved.

wherearemysocka · 03/03/2013 21:12

sorry...clearly I like the word achieve!

TheCollieDog · 03/03/2013 21:39

I have visions of male academics getting their doctorates out and seeing who's got the largest one

Badbride you are baaaaad! I will now have to wash my brain out at the thought of several colleagues-who-shall-be-nameless actually doing this.

One thing about having worked my way to the top is that I can just laugh at the male of the species tendency to dick-measuring. But there are times when I really have said in meetings "Well, why don't you just put them on the table and measure them?" There is a stunned silence and then they laugh. Well, they'd look silly getting upset about that, wouldn't they? Because nowhere do I say dick/willy/penis. Oh no, no, no, no

Callycat · 03/03/2013 21:42

That's very interesting, Procrastinating! I can blame my education and the fact I can't tell left from right

I think honorary doctorates reflect that someone has made a contribution equal to that of any other PhD, just working independently and over a longer time? Is that correct?

(sorry to derail topic!)

Callycat · 03/03/2013 21:42

Oh, and tonight's Top Gear was bloody awesome, just to derail the thread even more.

didireallysaythat · 03/03/2013 21:54

Tough call.... I only insist on a title when a cold caller asks if I'm Mrs DH-surname. I usually tell them if they can address me correctly I'll listen to what they have to say...

Oh and my mil writes cheques to Mrs. DH-surname which I can't pay in as that's not my name either.

KitchenandJumble · 03/03/2013 21:56

I have a PhD and I only use it in a professional setting. I would feel like a pretentious buffoon if I insisted on this title elsewhere. Certainly can't imagine requesting that family members address their letters to Dr. K.A. Jumble. Last name + first name is fine with me.

ArtemisatBrauron · 03/03/2013 21:59

kitchenandjumble I don't mind letters that are first name,last name - I just get a bit Hmm at letters to Mrs Husbands name husbands surname.

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