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Original poster

to think that people in prison should NOT be allowed nhs funded IVF?

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 11:37

As the title says.

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SPBInDisguise · 28/02/2013 11:39

Are they? My opinion is divided. NHS provision is determined by need and evidence, rather than judgement of who it is provided to, and this I agree with. However, choosing to bring a child into a family where one parent is in prison I agree less with.

RedPencils · 28/02/2013 11:40

Does this really happen?

NamelessHereForEvermore · 28/02/2013 11:40

Your OP is just lazy.

"As the title says" - is that the best you can do? You could have cut it down even further and just said "Discuss". That always goes down well.

Moominsarescary · 28/02/2013 11:42

Wasn't it on the news or something the other day? No I don't think they should.

babyfirefly1980 · 28/02/2013 11:45

No...bringing a child into the world while one of you is in prison shouldn't be NHS funded.

HecateWhoopass · 28/02/2013 11:46

actually in prison?

Is there a link?

I could understand it being argued for if people were permitted to conceive naturally while they are in prison. Partners brought in monthly to ttc.

if that is not the case, then why would ivf be allowed?

Is this a Gabby thread?

Is this happening or just something someone somewhere has written about?

KobayashiMaru · 28/02/2013 11:48

nobody gets nhs ivf in prison. What crappy rag did you read that in? Hmm

Northey · 28/02/2013 11:48

Can think of plenty of circumstances where it would be appropriate, including where one party is about to begin chemotherapy, and the couple would like to create embryos for implantation after the completion of the treatment.

meditrina · 28/02/2013 11:49

It was on This Morning today.

It seems there has been one known instance, and no absolute bar on it happening for others.

LadyBeagleEyes · 28/02/2013 11:49

It's just been a discussion on This Morning.
The no vote won by 94%.
Personally I preferred little Owen and his dog.
Did anybody watch it?
Where's Sparklingbrook, she always watches This Morning?

Moominsarescary · 28/02/2013 11:53

here some sort of e Petition

here sorry it's the dm

HecateWhoopass · 28/02/2013 11:57

I don't understand. If blocking prisoners right to IVF is being contested on the grounds that it may breach prisoner's rights to a 'private and family life' does that not mean that not allowing prisoners conjugal visits with the aim of procreating would mean the same? So people would then be arguing that prisoners should be allowed to try for a baby and have their partner brought into the jail for that purpose.

Original poster
rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 11:57

maybe spb i could send any posts i put up i could send to you for editing first?? Wink

There has just been a talk about it on This morning. Justice secretary Grayling says he will ban funded IVF for prisoners afer the european courts ruled they could.

1 in 5 struggle to have a baby so why should prisoners, who forfeit there right to have acsess to the rights of a free person be able to be given it when the funds are all ready very low for law abiding people.

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KobayashiMaru · 28/02/2013 12:00

Thats not really prisoners having access to IVF, is it? It's partners of prisoners having access to IVF, which is not at all the same thing.

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 12:04

good point hectate

The poor child will be starting family life with a parent in prison.

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Moominsarescary · 28/02/2013 12:09

Using prisoners sperm though, I wonder if they need ivf for other reasons or if it's just due to their partner being in prison.

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 12:14

It also opens the door for women prisoners to have acsess to it too under equal oppertunitys.

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SPBInDisguise · 28/02/2013 12:16

Did you mean me? I made no comment about your post, just the content

meditrina · 28/02/2013 12:18

They did not specify, on This Morning, whether the incarcerated partner in the known case was male or female.

LadyBeagleEyes · 28/02/2013 12:23

Would it really be that bad though?
It would surely be a tiny minority of prisoners that would request it.

meditrina · 28/02/2013 12:27

If you are allowed opportunities for attempts at assisted conception, then presumably attempts at ordinary conception need to be available too?

LadyBeagleEyes · 28/02/2013 12:30

Good point Meditrina, maybe it's all a bit cart before the horse.

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 12:34

Why should they be given a portion of an allready limited funded procedure. They gave up the right when they broke the law. Murders, drug dealers would all have acsess to it.
If they were in there for a short amount of time then they should wait till they are released.
How wonderful it would be to discover your DP/DM was a murderer ect.. and was never getting released. More cjildren growing up on state benifits.

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KobayashiMaru · 28/02/2013 13:04

It doesn't really open the door for women though, since they can't open the door to get to the clinic. The woman has to attend regularly whereas a man does not.

SPBInDisguise · 28/02/2013 13:07

op did you see my last post? dont like people thinking I'm a grammar pedant with other posters