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to think that people in prison should NOT be allowed nhs funded IVF?

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 11:37

As the title says.

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 14:31

koba prisoners are regulary let out for elective procedures. Also the director of penal reform thinks it could- but should be based on individual cases.

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HecateWhoopass · 28/02/2013 14:51

spb - I think the OP confused you with the poster some way below you who mentioned their OP being lazy. I'm surprised they haven't clarified that.

Chunderella · 28/02/2013 14:57

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RunnerHasbeen · 28/02/2013 15:39

From this thread it sounds like there has been one single case of this happening, we don't know why it happened but that the justice minister is trying to get people up in arms about it so he can ban it and look popular and decisive.

I agree with the case-by-case posters. I can't imagine it is proposed as a solution for "infertility caused by not being able to have sex," there are easier solutions. I would guess the single case involved the partner needing chemo or something else complicated and heartbreaking.

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rodandtheemu · 28/02/2013 19:55

SPB im really sorry, i did get mixed up with some one else as i was on my crappy phone at work. Blush

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Domjolly · 28/02/2013 20:41

I atcually couldnt think of a worse type of person to become a parent

Espically habitual offendes we know the stats on re ofeending so the child is likey to go into care at some point

God we already have enough children on the with ss invlovement now we are purposely allowing people who dont know right from wrong have children
Awsome satring point for parent hood

I watched HMP alsbury the other day and if the women are anything to go on they shouldnt be in cahrge of a plant

Domjolly · 28/02/2013 20:44

In terms of case by case balls they should wait yill they get out and wait in line

If they want chikdren they should have put more enegery into that than there criminal behaviour

You dont do time for speeding mostly either one off horrendous crimes or habitual criminals nither should be in charge of children in my view

AuntieMaggie · 28/02/2013 20:55

My initial reaction was that it depends what they've done and the circumstances but actually that opens up a whole can of worms. We've got enough children being brought into this world in shit circumstances so I would say no especially given the effect of the nhs cuts on us law abiding citizens overall.

LittleChickpea · 28/02/2013 21:18

No you are not been unreasonable.... Doesn't matter how many cases have occurred. One case, is one case too many. I want my taxes spent on better things rather than giving IVF to people that are in prison, regardless of the severity of the crime. Utterly stupid.... You do the crime, you do the time and you lose all liberties... Annoyed about this! Unbelievable

IneedAsockamnesty · 28/02/2013 21:26

You do know that partners of prisoners arnt the criminals don't you Dom?

Northey · 28/02/2013 21:27

I imagine Dom will think that the partners should have thought of that before getting involved with a criminal. Just a guess.

LittleChickpea · 28/02/2013 21:32

I agree with Dom and Northey. If you are living/married/with a criminal then you live with the consequences if their actions.

Northey · 28/02/2013 21:34

Sorry for confusing you, chickpea. I was guessing what Dom would think based on her earlier posts. It's not what I think.

TheWheelies · 28/02/2013 21:37

There is no NHS in prisons, so not sure how this funding could have happened. (there is some form of healthcare tho')

LittleChickpea · 28/02/2013 21:37

Sorry I missed read. But hats exactly what I think.

andubelievedthat · 28/02/2013 22:42

In this country ,being sent to prison and so denied your freedom/liberty is the punishment.A person convicted is not sent to prison for additional punishment once there.

IneedAsockamnesty · 28/02/2013 22:55

And they don't tend to lock up people who have been convicted of no crime just because they are a partner of a criminal.

There is no reason why an innocent person should not be able to have full use of the NHS just the same as any other innocent person.

ReallyTired · 28/02/2013 23:27

IVF should only be avaiable to prisoners in rare and exceptional cases. (Ie. freezing sperm prior to chemo)

Actually I think its questionable whether prisonsers should be allowed to get married while in prison, yet alone have babies with pen pals who they hardly know.

Getting married and having babies is part of the freedom prisoners have been denied. Prison should be a punishment. Murder victims are denied the chance to family life and they did nothing wrong.

"And they don't tend to lock up people who have been convicted of no crime just because they are a partner of a criminal."

Prehaps the partner of a criminal should find a new partner if she is desperate for children.

McNewPants2013 · 28/02/2013 23:33

The person is in prision for the crime they committed.

I see refusing them a chance of a child additional punishment.

DizzyPurple · 28/02/2013 23:47

It's the same punishment. You do something bad enough to go to prison, you lose rights to normal activities. Tough. Most of us manage to behave.

WilsonFrickett · 28/02/2013 23:58

But IVF would only be offered in cases of medical need, ie where there was proven medical infertility. As a pp pointed out 'infertility through not being free to have sex' would not constitute medical grounds for IVF on the NHS.

IneedAsockamnesty · 01/03/2013 00:05

I don't see why it's an issue in some circumstances.most yes but some no.

I would have no objection to a prisoner being able to provide sperm for a none prisoner

LittleChickpea · 01/03/2013 04:19

As far as I am concerned , if you are in prison you lose should lose all rights and privileges except urgent medical assistance or pain relief. IVF or other elected procedures should not be given. If someone is married to a criminal that's a choice the knowingly make and therefore they choose to suffer the consequences.

Chunderella · 01/03/2013 09:27

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ReallyTired · 01/03/2013 09:39

"I would have no objection to a prisoner being able to provide sperm for a none prisoner "

What about parental responsbilty? Many of these children would end up being supported by the state anyway. Its one thing to become a single mother through bad luck, totally enough to deliberately become a single parent. I have no objection to a non prisoner using sperm donation if she can financially support a child on her own.

A lot of people in prison are in prison because they are utter scum. Do we really want to enable them to pass their loser genes on. Its hardly a good role model for a child to have their Dad in prison.

"Some of you seem to think nobody in prison could possibly be in a relationship that began before they got banged up. That seems to be the only explanation for the constant partner blaming. "

Prehaps if the partner is desperate for children then she needs to find a new partner. She needs to find someone who will be a parent to her children and financially support her children.