To loathe lefties with a passion?

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Came across this and loved it. Punctures left wing twats right between the eyes!

"The point is that the "hierarchy of victims " is not an accident nor unique to this case. It is the whole basis on which lefties' views and loyalties in any issue are shaped - i.e. not by its rights and wrongs, but by who the protagonists are.

Any group you can think of can be slotted somewhere into the heirarchy of those whom the left either likes - ethnic minorities, Muslims, communists, strikers, the disabled, women, gays, public sector workers, dole claimants, and criminals, for example - or loathes: Americans, Tories, farmers, taxpayers, men generally, bankers and owners of private wealth.

These hatreds instruct the left on any issue. If demonstrating NUM miners are forcibly dispersed by the police, they side with the miners. If the Countryside Alliance are dispersed by the police, however, they side with the police, because they like miners and hate farmers.

If a Tory government withdraws money from pensioners it's the epitome of evil. If an NHS worker leaves the elderly to starve to death in their own excrement, the left couldn't care less. The left isn't pro-elderly unless this means being anti-someone else. If the someone else is the NHS producer, then the left isn't pro-elderly any more. The side they pick is the producer, who matters more than the consumer.

Where it all goes tits up is when two different client groups are at each others' throats. So the leftist sympathises with the criminal in general - unless the crime is domestic violence. Then they sympathise with the woman. Unless, again, the man is a Muslim cleric, in which case the lefty has to look away. Reggae singers going on about shooting gays in the head: this does not compute. Gangs of Muslims threatening gays: does not compute. Black governments victimising their own citizens? Pretend it isn't happening.

The left doesn't really give a toss about miners. What matters is who else is involved. White British police? - side with the miners. Black Communist-controlled police? - side with the police, they're above reproach - or at any rate, above miners [reference to ANC police and black miners at Marikana].

As we've noted before, Lefties reduce every issue to a disgusting form of Top Trumps. They are, quite simply, morally incompetent."

Is it unreasonable to agree that lefties are morally incompetent?

I thought this post was going to be about left handed people - thought, that's a bit harsh.

Haven't finished reading this lovely thread yet, but just wanted to say Rhiannon86 - I started my own business 15 years ago. I'm a card-carrying member of the Labour party.

Cory,

A hell of a lot of them are clients of the left, those dependent on a large state. New Labour was not stupid, it created plenty of them. We have those on welfare, loads of government consultants, the BBC, the entire cadre of NHS managers etc etc.

Labour are, IMO unfortunately, the natural party of government now. It is hard to dismantle a culture of dependency.

Most people vote selfishly for whatever will benefit their own families (and fair enough, really). In addition, the boundaries are currently very much in favour of the left rather than reflecting the genuine population distribution. One of the most dishonest things that the LibDems did was to trade support for their AV referendum for supporting the Tories in their boundary changes and then renege on their part of the deal.

All NHS managers are clients of the Labour Party? Interesting.

Oh right I see there have been similar.

I just wondered if it might be a disgruntled partner trying to stir the pot. It just seems very at odds with the thoughtful persona you see elsewhere on the boards.

Its it's genuine, well I can't imagine anyone in a good place posting that iyswim.

So where did the Labour supporters come from before 1997 then, larry?

"if it's"

Cory,

Pre 1997 it was a very different debate. Labour always had a heartland of the "working classes" and then we had a very tired Conservative party which had lost its way and started preaching morality ("back to basics") and being caught with its pants down.

There have always been and will always be natural support for a left wing party and also those in favour of smaller government and who believe that people are best at spending their own money.

I found New Labour, though, reached the summit of hypocrisy when Dianne Abbot sent her son to City of London School and freely admitted that she was a hypocrite, yet continued in her position without feeling the need to resign.

This article says more about the author than the subject matter. How sad to live in such a cynical world.

YANBU(ish). There is probably a good discussion to be had here, but seriously, you have zero chance of that. You'd have more luck convincing Julie Bindel to be spokeswoman for the Men's Rights Movement.

I'd say so too Psammead. Reading it is somewhat skin to what I imagine wading through a really deep pool of bilious vomit, swallowing some as you go would be like.

Not again, bloody predictive text. I mean akin, not skin.

sheer mathematics make it clear that it is quite possible to live in a working class area, send your children to state school, live surrounded by people from different cultures and still vote Labour

otherwise the Labour party would have a lot fewer voters than they do

in other words, the kind of voter you describe, larry, must be in a minority

SigmundFraude, the trouble is that the OP hasn't tried to start a good discussion. There have been some discussions around politics/public policy that I've really enjoyed on MN that have been thoughtful, honest, and willing to allow for the fact that intelligent people might have different views and values. Sadly fewer and more far between than I'd like, and usually on niche areas, because the mainstream ones usually get hijacked by the la-la-lah-I-can't-hear-you-I'm-right-you're-evil posters who won't allow that there can be other valid opinions outside their own.

I agree that there are valid and interesting discussions to be had about how the main demographics of political supporters right across the spectrum can be segmented, but the OP sure as hell wasn't trying to start one. I find the suggestion that she was quite surprising.

Me? I like evidence, really, but I'll allow that my evidence-seeking comes with personal bias.

Nice and typical leftie ad hominem attack here: notice, because I don't agree, I have become evil? 'Nasty, spiteful/after ALL we've done for her'. Don't bother getting personal Ada, it doesn't work.

"I think leaving the politics aside for one moment, this is a really nasty, spiteful post from someone who is a prolific poster and has had a lot of support on the boards from the kind of people she is so quick to denigrate."

Yuk. Only read your op but really? You think massive generalisations and the long quote you've generously shared with us amounts to any sort of incisive or persuasive argument?
Do you really think gleefully announcing your wish to "puncture left wing twats right between the eyes" is amusing?
Not sure whether to feel sorry for you or not. Would like to suggest you might enjoy daily fail site or perhaps UKIP more convivial to your way of thinking... or do you think MN is populated by right wing bigots??

larry - she is not the only one to send DCs private.

Its not people who have left wing views that bother me. Its the fluidity of the left wing beliefs among certain people when it comes to personal matters that annoys me.

That's fine, Larry. A bit of fun, stirring the pot, we don't want to get them too settled in their congratulatory self-regard!!!

OP, tl;dr

No you are being called 'nasty/spiteful' because you are being nasty and spiteful.

Yes OP has form and this thread is of no surprise to me.

'but the OP sure as hell wasn't trying to start one. I find the suggestion that she was quite surprising.'

Some of the best discussions emerge from the harshest of observations, Jassey.

Surely there is fluidity of views among people who vote Tory too, MoreBeta?

People have their views modified by things that happen to them in life, not everybody is naturally wholly left or wholly right. They will inveigh against benefits and then complain when their disabled parent doesn't qualify. They will vociferate against the divisive school system and then send their own children private. They will tell you that it is immigrants who are sending the country to the dogs and then add in the next breath: "but of course I don't mean you".

I don't really know what to say to that breathtakingly unpleasant post.

Obviously I was being too charitable in previous my assessment!