To loathe lefties with a passion?

[Abitwobblynow]

Came across this and loved it. Punctures left wing twats right between the eyes!

"The point is that the "hierarchy of victims " is not an accident nor unique to this case. It is the whole basis on which lefties' views and loyalties in any issue are shaped - i.e. not by its rights and wrongs, but by who the protagonists are.

Any group you can think of can be slotted somewhere into the heirarchy of those whom the left either likes - ethnic minorities, Muslims, communists, strikers, the disabled, women, gays, public sector workers, dole claimants, and criminals, for example - or loathes: Americans, Tories, farmers, taxpayers, men generally, bankers and owners of private wealth.

These hatreds instruct the left on any issue. If demonstrating NUM miners are forcibly dispersed by the police, they side with the miners. If the Countryside Alliance are dispersed by the police, however, they side with the police, because they like miners and hate farmers.

If a Tory government withdraws money from pensioners it's the epitome of evil. If an NHS worker leaves the elderly to starve to death in their own excrement, the left couldn't care less. The left isn't pro-elderly unless this means being anti-someone else. If the someone else is the NHS producer, then the left isn't pro-elderly any more. The side they pick is the producer, who matters more than the consumer.

Where it all goes tits up is when two different client groups are at each others' throats. So the leftist sympathises with the criminal in general - unless the crime is domestic violence. Then they sympathise with the woman. Unless, again, the man is a Muslim cleric, in which case the lefty has to look away. Reggae singers going on about shooting gays in the head: this does not compute. Gangs of Muslims threatening gays: does not compute. Black governments victimising their own citizens? Pretend it isn't happening.

The left doesn't really give a toss about miners. What matters is who else is involved. White British police? - side with the miners. Black Communist-controlled police? - side with the police, they're above reproach - or at any rate, above miners [reference to ANC police and black miners at Marikana].

As we've noted before, Lefties reduce every issue to a disgusting form of Top Trumps. They are, quite simply, morally incompetent."

Is it unreasonable to agree that lefties are morally incompetent?

That's very true cory

Why does a person need to loathe/hate people with fairly mainstream political viewpoints though? It doesn't make any sense.

Well I'm a leftie. Guess I must be a twat then....

tbh I do not consider most current labour politicians to be 'lefties' they 'sold out' in 97 and have been scrabbling around in the centre ever since.

To a younger person say,18-30 ish does leftie mean anything? I have watched the political landscape change in the last 25 years and now wonder if political parties as they currently function have a future? I bet there will be a move towards smaller more issue based parties and a move away from the adversarial system as it stands.

sorry to drift away from the serious charges levelled at the left as detailed in the op, just got me thinking...

Sigmund - if they're harsh but fair/evidence based, sure. That was neither. It was some reductive, over-the-top to the point of caricature and stonkingly badly written. Leading many here to think 'well, why the fuck would I engage with something that unpleasant and ridiculous? Not worth it, write it off instead'. Which doesn't exactly lead to reasoned political debate.

The OP's followup post would suggest that she isn't interesting in engaging, rather she's happy to write off one side of the political spectrum without wanting to discuss why they think or value waht they do.

For the record, I've got some screamingly left-wing and militantly right-wing friends and relatives. What makes them friends (and relatives I still speak to) is that they may say harsh things, but they're ready to back them up with facts and importantly they're willing to discuss it. Huge difference. It'd be hard to convince me that a discussion (rather than backpatting from like-minded posters and shit-stirring among those politically opposed to her) was what the OP was after, or what most followup posts have tried to achieve, especially those of the 'Oh, good points, but you won't get discussion about them here, we're not allowed to talk right-wing'. Try doing it civilly - and that goes for both sides of the political spectrum.

tl;dr version? If you want a discussion, discuss calmly. If you want a rant/reaction? Post like the OP did.

Thanks Lunatic

excellent point jassey (top notch name too) frothy ott opening post = frothy response - stands to reason really.

'The OP's followup post would suggest that she isn't interesting in engaging'

Neither would I be after pages of vitriol (deserved or not), but anyway, there it is.

What does tl;dr mean?

The OP's original post and 2nd post come across a bit dim and derivative to me.

Best laugh I've had in ages this thread

I suggest Rhianna gets herself down to her local craft market, or farmers market or organic food market or any one of those bastions of small businesses and have a chat with the stall holders. I think you will find a large percentage of them are both educated and have leftish views.

Or do only large businesses count in the right-thinking-business-minded equation?

We love you though xxxx.

For the record, my twat's in the middle.

Rhiannon86 Mon 25-Feb-13 13:20:04

Well I don't know any lefties that have started their own business

I do. I work for a chap who started his own business. He is more left wing than I am, and that's saying something.

Funny thread Wobbly, poorly written OP aside.

Do you know, the saddest thing about the OP is that she is prepared to state, openly, that she loathes someone, just because of their political beliefs.

How narrow-minded is that?

cory - "Surely there is fluidity of views among people who vote Tory too"

Some big buisnes people do have hypocritical sort of fluid right views too. They want low taxes and small Govt but funnily enough quite like big Govt contracts and all sorts of Govt subsidy and interventions when it suits them.

It even happens in the City. Socialism for bankers is what we have had since the beginning of the financial crisis.

It really is sad isn't it BIWI.

I've got plenty friends who hold different political beliefs to me, I don't loathe them - we just disagree.

I may loathe some of their views, but I don't loathe them.

Abit, do you really loathe millions of people?

What if your children become lefties
Or your DC want to marry a leftie

OP, loath who you like, but YABU.

What a bizarre OP.

Yes it is unreasonable to agree that lefties are morally incompetent. In fact, it would be down right ridiculous to come to such a conclusion at all.

OH, and to Rhiannon86 who said Mon 25-Feb-13 13:20:04
"Well I don't know any lefties that have started their own business"

Sir Alan Sugar has donated money to the Labour campaign, but then maybe he's the only "leftie" ever to suet up his own business. (Oh, no, there is also my DH)

But maybe you actually meant you don't know any lefties who've set up their own business, rather than know of any lefties....

And personally I don't think Dianne Abbott sending her child to a private school was the worst sort of hypocritical. She was just doing her perceived best for her child - I can relate to that as I think most parents could. In fact I seem to remember I've chatted with her briefly about it on a MN web-chat.

Seriously hypocritical would be more being the Minister for Overseas Aid (and therefore knowing all the issues involved) and then retiring and joining the board of Nestle. Something along those lines ....

For me Labour are not very left wing anyway, especially new Labour. Left of centre maybe on social issues, but pretty Thatcherite in some respects.

None of the parties are left wing in the UK, I did think the LibDems were going by their last manifesto but it turned out er, not.

When I did a test on political views, I was slightly more left wing and more liberal than Gandhi, so I must be a Massive Twat, but am also a Massive Hypocrite about some things, as everyone is really.

These are left wing www.socialistparty.org.uk/ socially and economically. :)

The reason New labour can be castigated for overspending is because they have tried to combine low taxes with a large welfare state. They are socially left and economically right. Not a good combo

SF: I'd argue she rather set the time for the thread in the first place! Some pretty frothing responses but I'm not sure what else she was trying to elicit?

Tl;dr = too long; didn't (or don't) read: I'm aware I tend to get a bit wordy.

YABU for cutting and pasting a rant about lefty stereotypes and putting it here.

How sad to loathe so many people.