To loathe lefties with a passion?

[Abitwobblynow]

Came across this and loved it. Punctures left wing twats right between the eyes!

"The point is that the "hierarchy of victims " is not an accident nor unique to this case. It is the whole basis on which lefties' views and loyalties in any issue are shaped - i.e. not by its rights and wrongs, but by who the protagonists are.

Any group you can think of can be slotted somewhere into the heirarchy of those whom the left either likes - ethnic minorities, Muslims, communists, strikers, the disabled, women, gays, public sector workers, dole claimants, and criminals, for example - or loathes: Americans, Tories, farmers, taxpayers, men generally, bankers and owners of private wealth.

These hatreds instruct the left on any issue. If demonstrating NUM miners are forcibly dispersed by the police, they side with the miners. If the Countryside Alliance are dispersed by the police, however, they side with the police, because they like miners and hate farmers.

If a Tory government withdraws money from pensioners it's the epitome of evil. If an NHS worker leaves the elderly to starve to death in their own excrement, the left couldn't care less. The left isn't pro-elderly unless this means being anti-someone else. If the someone else is the NHS producer, then the left isn't pro-elderly any more. The side they pick is the producer, who matters more than the consumer.

Where it all goes tits up is when two different client groups are at each others' throats. So the leftist sympathises with the criminal in general - unless the crime is domestic violence. Then they sympathise with the woman. Unless, again, the man is a Muslim cleric, in which case the lefty has to look away. Reggae singers going on about shooting gays in the head: this does not compute. Gangs of Muslims threatening gays: does not compute. Black governments victimising their own citizens? Pretend it isn't happening.

The left doesn't really give a toss about miners. What matters is who else is involved. White British police? - side with the miners. Black Communist-controlled police? - side with the police, they're above reproach - or at any rate, above miners [reference to ANC police and black miners at Marikana].

As we've noted before, Lefties reduce every issue to a disgusting form of Top Trumps. They are, quite simply, morally incompetent."

Is it unreasonable to agree that lefties are morally incompetent?

Have you paid any attention to the news over the past couple of decades, OP? Lefties of the sort you mention were always rare and are now virtually non-existent. It's like you've spent 30 years living in Liverpool under the Militant Tendency and haven't revised your ideas since.

Established business men who support Labour isn't the same as lefties starting businesses. It's easy to throw money around when you're a millionaire. It's a lot harder when you're just starting out and having to run a tight ship just to stay afloat.

But people think differently. Plenty of people without lots of money still support levels of taxes which benefit those less well off than they are! They just do, because they think it's the right thing to do! That doesn't change if they're starting a business. I dislike dragging out the I know someone thing, but the only left wing person I know which has started a business is also seeing that business fold, but they haven't suddenly turned right wing due to that!! The other person I know who has talked about starting a business when he's amassed enough money is also left wing and supports high taxation and he earns enough he gets taxed very highly, especially on his bonus!

If only people who got really really rich would then become left wing and let the money trickle down instead of stashing it in tax havens!!

Oh look Rhiannonhas shown up, there's a surprise!

That'll be two idiots whose idiots are temporarily indisposed.

Ah well, stuff to do, like failing to start a business and hating farmers!!

'I think it is very touching to imagine these successful businessmen looking around them and saying "now that I have got more money I realise what we need a system where wealthy people are taxed more heavily; I shall abandon my earlier beliefs and support such a system". Quite restores your faith in humanity, doesn't it?'

that actually made me lol

John Cadbury was always a fierce leftie.

YANBU OP. But this is Mumsnet! The armed wing of The Guardian. You will have little sympathy with your explanation here.

Well I do agree with much of what the Op says about The Labour Party having a very definite attitude that it 'owns' certain groups (eg women, disabled, Asian, Black, immigrant) that should never question voting Labour.

It is actually quite insulting.

Funny thing is in my town the vote from local Asian business community is what supports the local Tory candidate so it doesnt even work.

I do find a lot of very left wing people to be very idealistic and naive about things
As are the right wingers who think that benefit cutting will solve everything. Or that the world is split into us and lefties.

A lof of the MN leftie stuff feels very fake to me though...like it's borne out of a desperate need to be in with a certain clique on here.

Op, you posting this on such a leftie forum as MN is a bit like walking into a Hells Angel's bar and insulting them, then throwing a puppy at them. ( this happened in Germany a few weeks ago! Did anyone else read this?)

Wow op. I was a leftie but having read that I'm now totally with you.

Up the tax-paying Tory farmers!

Down with all the marginalised and discriminated groups mentioned in the op!!! How dare they expect to be treated like decent human beings!

Oh and I grew up on a farm and once voted for David Miliband.

Something wrong there.

I am gripped by the philosophical question of what constitutes Reality (the rest being presumably Illusion).

So far we have gathered that:

It is something that no public sector employee knows anything about. So nothing that could possibly be experienced by a firefighter, policeman, social worker, teacher, A & E nurse, council employed street sweeper or road mender, hospital consultant, paramedic or dinner lady. Reality is something far harsher indeed.

It is also something rich people, such as successful businessmen, know nothing about. And may be assumed never to have known anything about, since success confers immediate amnesia on its victim.

I would also be prepared to bet that the lofty canopies of Reality do not shelter people on benefits, asylum seekers, fulltime carers etc.

So Reality is something reserved for the Select Few, those who have started small businesses but have not (yet) made a success of them.

Oh well, the rest of us will just have to make do with Illusion then.

Ooh heck Abit.
I dont see how any group of several million people can be lumped together in one mass.

Farmers are a possibility for inclusion in the Reality zone, but Rhiannon does not mention them. Better not be rich farmers, one supposes.

Since when has Mumsnet been a leftie forum?

dunno, seeker, I have certainly come across plenty of tories over the years

most of them aren't loons though- that does make a difference

A lot of the points in the OP are true, however there is no chance posters here would agree, you are in a minority, most of the posts here are focused on calling Tories twats. Everyone on this forum seems to have forgot the mess Labour got us into and wants to carry on spending money we don't have.

It's on threads like this when I really wish there was an option to just block certain posters.

Attention-seeking, time-wasting, narrow-minded posters of any race, religion or political spectrum would definitely be on my block list.

I'd love to get any "righties" (is that even a word) to come and live for a week on the sink housing estate in Glasgow where we live, experience what the people we know do, meet the destitute asylum seekers our church cares for (though I'm sure they'd think I'm a rightie too as I go to church, and that the AS we work with should be sent home!).

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes, then debate what the policies would be.

Mumsnet is quite liberal and tolerant so I can see how it would be perceived as leftie. Definitely more Guardian than Daily Mail in tone and ethos.

There are quite a few with leftie tendencies but also quite a few who sit on the right and the majority somewhere in the middle and/or tending to the left/right on certain issues. Thank goodness. Would be horrible if we were all the same.

some of us are remembering that it was an international recession which most other countries, with more competent governments, have got out of by now, kitty, and that economic experts are saying that the austerity measures are holding us back