To be bothered by DH's new "food militancy"??? He's turned vegan and gone a bit nuts really.

[MrsMushroom]

He's always been into healthy eating and working out...it's part of his personality. Fine.

But...a friend of his (big into uncovering government plots and all that...lizard people you know)

Well this friend sent DH a copy of something called The China Study which is a big expose on our food chain etc.

All this happened BEFORE the horse meat thing.

DH is now vegan. He's constantly asking me to read the report...telling me things like "When meat protein mixes with milk protein that is what causes some cancers"

And the latest is that cheap peanut butter has mold in it...which causes cancer.

So we can only buy organic.

He won't eat any processed foods...we hardly have any anway! As a family we didn't eat a lot of meat...one roast chicken a week which we got 3 meals out of...and maybe a bit of bacon.

That was it...no red meat really as we're on a small budget.

I'm frigging SICK of hearing it all!

he's now on Skype with his paranoid mate and they're discussing the evils of that fake meat...what's it called...you know soy stuff.

I cooked a chicken yestersay which I ate with the DDs...he came in from work and asked me to cover the chicken up...I suspect because he was tempted.

AIBU to be bored and a bit annoyed?

[LentilAsAnything]

MrsMushroom, I am thrilled you are being open-minded about this.
I have a stack of collated vegan stuff on Pinterest, should you want more info. Lots of links to health articles, information about the meat and dairy industry, and some information about the impact of eating meat and dairy on our environment.
pinterest.com/AMaverickMother/veganforlife-vv/ Hth.

[claig]

Lentils, the majority of "scientists" etc believe soya is good. That is where the money is, in the fields with genetically modified soya which is added to 60% of our processed food.

There is nothing more important than your health. Research it and if you still think soya is good, then OK.

[ArielThePiraticalMermaid]

Blimey claig, you're, like, so at one with nature

[LentilAsAnything]

I've also got lots of vegan athletes on this board, along with a few other vegan slebs. pinterest.com/AMaverickMother/veganrollcall/

You might also want to recommend a vegan fitness forum for your husband, if he hasn't already discovered it: www.veganfitness.net/index.php.

[claig]

www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8391748/GM-soy-The-invisible-ingredient-poisoning-children.html

[PessaryPam]

claig countrykitten, excellent Guardian article about soya, which has often been promoted as a wonder food, while red meat is discouraged by many of the "experts".

//www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jul/25/food.foodanddrink

This is incredible. I am gobsmacked that all our food standards agencies have not highlighted this to the population.
Some extracts
He calculated that babies fed exclusively on soya formula could receive the estrogenic equivalent, based on body weight, of five birth control pills a day.
and
It turns out that unfermented soya did play one role in traditional Asian diets - it was eaten by monks to dampen down their libido.)

[LentilAsAnything]

claig, soya is indeed in lots of food, and fed to livestock too. It doesn't make much difference to soy producers if we eat it directly, or via cows. But the dairy industry, wow, do they have a lot to lose if we start eating it directly.

[claig]

'Blimey claig, you're, like, so at one with nature '

Exactly. Real nature, not their global warming and other scare stories.

[claig]

Lentil, in Europe we have eaten dairy for millenia, but we have not eaten soy. Now the big agrochemical firms and food producers use soy as a cheap protein substitute in our fodd and spray it with all types of chemicals to improve its yield.

If it ain't broke don't fix it, stick to what has worked for humans for millenia, don't experment with public health to make money.

[ArielThePiraticalMermaid]

Ah, a climate change denier.

Thing is claic it is happening. I mentioned the sea surface thing earlier. Whether it's caused by CO2 emissions is another question.

And who is "their"?

[claig]

'He calculated that babies fed exclusively on soya formula could receive the estrogenic equivalent, based on body weight, of five birth control pills a day'

Pessary, a real conspiracy theorist understands exactly why. It is all linked - global warming, "saving the planet", cutting down on meat and oestrogen and birth pills.

[limitedperiodonly]

thanks for that article hopkinette

[claig]

'And who is "their"?'

They and their are teh people in control of our lives, our health and our banks. The ones responsible for regulating the safety of our food and our banks. The ones above teh regulators, the ones who appoint the regulators and the ones who decide on what will be and don't publish their decisions for us to see.

[ArielThePiraticalMermaid]

Ah. Thanks for clarifying.

[countrykitten]

I had to stop eating soya produce after being diagnosed with endometriosis and realising that as a lifelong vegetarian who drank soya milk and ate soya 'meat' that this foodstuff could have contributed to my illness. Not impressed.

I now have a mostly vegan diet and I drink almond milk which is amazing stuff and very good for you.

I am not anti-meat eating in itself (and I do buy the argument that we are omnivorous because we clearly are) but I am anti-cruelty and this is my stumbling block. Even organically raised, well treated farm animals meet terrible ends in dreadful slaughterhouses (even ones that deal with organic livestock) where cruelty is rife. Sadly the HFW footage we see on C4 is not the reality for most animals. I wish that it was but I cannot have all that suffering and cruelty on my conscience just for the sake of meat and milk.

[LentilAsAnything]

claig, we have not farmed on this level ever before. It is unsustainable. It is destroying our planet. It was never meant to be like this.
Time to evolve.

[claig]

'The aim of hormone treatments is to limit or stop the production of oestrogen in your body. This is because oestrogen encourages endometriosis to grow and shed. Without exposure to oestrogen, the endometriosis tissue can be reduced, which helps to ease your symptoms.'

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Endometriosis/Pages/Treatment.aspx

Soy is high in oestrogen.

Why oestrogen? Because of what Pessary quoted.

[countrykitten]

Soy is packed full of oestrogen and I have been eating loads of it for years...endo nutritionists tend to agree that it should be left well alone as it can really aggravate the disease. It is bloody awful stuff.

I can't work out if you are disagreeing or not?!

[countrykitten]

PP thanks for the link.

[claig]

I've got the book but haven't had time to read it, so can't argue knowledgeably on it, but it may be worth checking out.

'Lierre Keith is a former vegan/vegetarian who bowed out after twenty long years of poor health and paralyzing moral paradoxes.


And that?s the crux of her argument ? that modern industrial agriculture is wanton destruction. Grain-based, vegetarian agriculture is even worse, because it attempts to eliminate a crucial player in the normal life cycle of the planet. Animals, which provide manure, calcium, and other nutrients for the soil, have to be part of the equation. Whenever a culture turns to a grain-based agricultural system, these same problems arise. Annual grain crops killed the American prairie and, for the vegans out there, they kill the millions of animals, bugs, and birds that rely on specific ecosystems to survive. The vegan?s soy burger has nary an animal part, but the machines that worked the soybean fields were greased with the blood of a thousand organisms. The vegetarian?s wheat crops feed millions, but robs the land of nutrients and destroys the top soil necessary for life.



'Animals, which provide manure, calcium, and other nutrients for the soil'

but they say that these natural things are harming the 'planet'

[claig]

Sorry, book is 'The Vegetarian Myth' bu former vegetarian Lierre Keth

www.marksdailyapple.com/vegetarian-myth-review/#axzz2Lw9tWl58

[PolkadotCircus]

My sil is like this,eating out is a joy-not.

Last thing was black pepper being carcinogenic.

I actually think she has other issues which is manifesting itself in food obsessions.

Oh and cherry tomatoes give her migraines,not normal tomatoes just cherry tomatoes.

Best night ever was when I made a homemade veggie lasagna 9 month pg with huge twins,she stalked me in the kitchen to check I wasn't using cherry toms but forgot to check if the Parmesan was veggie-it wasn't ooopsie!

[claig]

I agree with you countrykitten. I am saying that conspiracy theorists believe they know why it is being pushed.

[claig]

Cows' manure and farts are harming the planet, they say, but genetically modified food ndoesn't concern the bigwigs and leaders and spinners and shakers. You couldn't make it up!

[countrykitten]

Got it claig. Thanks for the clarification!