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To be bothered by DH's new "food militancy"??? He's turned vegan and gone a bit nuts really.

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MrsMushroom · 24/02/2013 23:38

He's always been into healthy eating and working out...it's part of his personality. Fine.

But...a friend of his (big into uncovering government plots and all that...lizard people you know)

Well this friend sent DH a copy of something called The China Study which is a big expose on our food chain etc.

All this happened BEFORE the horse meat thing.

DH is now vegan. He's constantly asking me to read the report...telling me things like "When meat protein mixes with milk protein that is what causes some cancers"

And the latest is that cheap peanut butter has mold in it...which causes cancer.

So we can only buy organic.

He won't eat any processed foods...we hardly have any anway! As a family we didn't eat a lot of meat...one roast chicken a week which we got 3 meals out of...and maybe a bit of bacon.

That was it...no red meat really as we're on a small budget.

I'm frigging SICK of hearing it all!

he's now on Skype with his paranoid mate and they're discussing the evils of that fake meat...what's it called...you know soy stuff.

I cooked a chicken yestersay which I ate with the DDs...he came in from work and asked me to cover the chicken up...I suspect because he was tempted.

AIBU to be bored and a bit annoyed?

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SonOfAradia · 25/02/2013 17:09

Insects don't fart.

HTH.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:09

Tell him not to believe what they want him to swallow, but to use his common sense.

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SonOfAradia · 25/02/2013 17:10

Next you'll be telling us the Moon Landings never happened.

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countrykitten · 25/02/2013 17:12

claig most beef cattle never see the light of day and do not have the idyllic existence you presume that they do.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:17

countrykitten, you are right. There are GMO elements in some animal feed and the conditions they are kept in are not optimal for health and that is all wrong. But that doesn't mean that meat per se is bad, as is often claimed, and that the alternatives that they recommend are good.


'Now here he was in later life, a clean-living veggie who avoided all that nasty processed stuff and he was overweight and suffering from a variety of undiagnosable and extremely unpleasant stomach conditions.

Fed up with the mantra spouted by the NHS, he began to do his own research and realised what he was missing most was. . . meat.

Certain vital vitamins and compounds are only available from meat, he learned, while an over-reliance on soy products can take a catastrophic physical and mental toll on a person.

So he and his partner decided to do something they hadn't done for the guts of three decades -- eat meat.'


www.independent.ie/lifestyle/books-arts/review-food-the-meat-fix-by-john-nicholson-26843253.html

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MooseBeTimeForCoffee · 25/02/2013 17:18

Sounds like he has Orthorexia

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countrykitten · 25/02/2013 17:19

Interesting. It is only recently that I realised how bad soya stuff is to eat and for the environment. Horrible stuff.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:24

countrykitten, excellent Guardian article about soya, which has often been promoted as a wonder food, while red meat is discouraged by many of the "experts".

www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/jul/25/food.foodanddrink

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LentilAsAnything · 25/02/2013 17:26

ConfusedPixie, if you are vegetarian, you are still responsible for countless lost lives. The dairy industry kills off their male calves, which are born because to keep mama lactating, like us, they need to be giving birth. Not only that, dairy cows are killed off after abiut five years, once they are spent, whereas left to their own devices, they will live to about 25 years.

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MrsMushroom · 25/02/2013 17:28

We've just had bean burgers. I made them. The DDs loved them. DH can have his when he gets in.

II have been given some really interesting links on this trhead and lots of things to think about....thank you to all those who took the time to add links.

Dh won't get overweight Claig...he couldn't...not eating the way he does. I've lost weight too...the house has no processed things at all...I do buy cereal bars...but might start making them.

We have a share in an allotment so much of our veg will soon be what we've grown...it would be amazing to reduce our food bill that much....the DDs will still eat meat if they want but I'm coming to a place where I may become vegatarian I think...I couldn't leave cheese or milk...I love them.

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weegiemum · 25/02/2013 17:30

veganventelop could you please name the "healthiest, strongest" athletes who are vegan?

Iirc the fastest man on earth is addicted to chicken nuggets. Doesn't seem t have slowed him down much!

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ArielThePiraticalMermaid · 25/02/2013 17:32

Yes but it's not like cattle would be wondering round living free, varied and happy lives were it not for the dairy industry. They wouldn't be alive at all, let alone for 25 years.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:33

MrsMushroom, research it first and read some books which give the opposite point of view as well as the one that is pushed, Then make your mind up.

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LadyClariceCannockMonty · 25/02/2013 17:34

If he cooks for himself I wouldn't see that as a problem.

Being nagged about how you should go vegan, and cats-bum-mouth type behaviour like asking you to cover up meat, though, is maddening. I know vegans who pointedly and with an air of martyrdom open the window or leave the room if there's a hint of meat in there, and vegans who eat what they want, will share a room/dinner table with meat and meat-eaters and get on with it.

Guess which ones I find more irritating. Smile

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/02/2013 17:37

weegiemum


www.greatveganathletes.com

There's never going to be loads because they make up such a small percentage of the population.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:39

A good book that gives a different view to the one pushed by the "experts", and advocates our grandmothers' diets is

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3230846/Healthy-food-Should-we-be-eating-more-fat.html

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ivykaty44 · 25/02/2013 17:39

weegiemum - there is an iron man who is vegan - one is rip esselstyn

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ivykaty44 · 25/02/2013 17:40

claig - why would you go to a celeb or jorno for diet advise?

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hopkinette · 25/02/2013 17:40

I know you don't have a lot of free time for reading, OP, but I do think this discussion of the China study is worth working your way though if you can. It's interesting and I like the way she writes.

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hopkinette · 25/02/2013 17:43

weegiemum Scott Jurek is a very successful ultramarathoner who has been vegan since 1999.

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:43

'He and Monica break every single diet diktat that has been trumpeted as ?healthy eating?. And yet, here they are, trim, fit and full of beans, albeit metaphorical ones. How on earth do they do it? And where are the rest of us ? eating piles of fruit and veg, and steering clear of cholesterol-laden butter ? going wrong? After all, we?ve never been subject to so much education on good dietary practice, and yet prey to so many illnesses, ranging from diabetes to heart disease.

?Most people are eating in a way that is unnatural to us as a species,? says Barry, who holds a doctorate in nutritional science and has just written a book called Trick and Treat: How Healthy Eating Is Making Us Ill. ?We?re a carnivorous species ? our gut is identical to that of a big cat. Yet we?re encouraged to eat foods that have been padded out with modified starch and vegetable oils, and complex carbohydrates such as bread, pasta and rice, which have all been labelled healthy ? but not the fatty meat that our body actually recognises.?

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hopkinette · 25/02/2013 17:45

What types of cancer does veganism specifically protect against, veganenvelope?

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zipzap · 25/02/2013 17:46

Tell him that he's actually fallen for a conspiracy theory double bluff.

That the reason he is looking and feeling all pale and pasty and unhealthy and [insert whatever you can here to make him wonder what you know, even if he claims he is feeling healthy] is because of the veganism.

This is because 'they' (the people creating the conspiracies) want to neutralise the effect of the people that notice the conspiracy theories and bring them to our attention, they want to minimise these people.

Veganism does this very well - it's a group that is already seen as being a little crackpot and unorthodox. Plus those eating a vegan diet can be pretty unhealthy and feel pretty rubbish so it reduces the chance of them being able to actively promote or draw attention to their theories.

OK so I know that being vegan is not necessarily unhealthy, but there are also plenty of reports around to show that pretty much anything is unhealthy. And that it is also healthy (chocolate, red wine spring to mind Grin) . But being drawn into believing conspiracy theories is not good - especially as others have said when it comes above your own family. So fight fire with fire and just be very dismissive of him falling for the beginner's conspiracy theory and not seeing the bigger one behind it, and maybe it will start to get him questioning beyond the basic box he is in at the moment.

Oh and leave the chicken out too!

(If he'd gone veggie or vegan for a good reason then I would support my dh quite happily, even if it was a pain. but this sounds like it is something completely different and that if the report had told him to sleep with his feet on his pillow and cavort naked in front of the full moon after eating a large steak he'd have done that too, it's not the vegan-ism per se that's the problem, which is why I would feel, like you, significantly less than sympathetic!)

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claig · 25/02/2013 17:51

'claig - why would you go to a celeb or jorno for diet advise?'

I believe in folk wisdom not paid for "experts" and mouthpieces of food corporations or governments who mention "five a day" and excess salt but never discuss soya, aspartame or genetically modified organisms.

I believe in traditional wisdom and knowledge passed down over centuries. I believe in the natural diets of the 100 year olds on mediterranean islands, not in the "scientists" who tell us that insects are healthier than meat and that they also help us "save the planet".

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LentilAsAnything · 25/02/2013 17:57

claig, soya is fine. It is certainly a whole heap better for us than dairy.
Some links for you.
zenhabits.net/soy/
And
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/01/anti-soya-brigade-ignore-scaremongering/print
In a nutshell, follow the money!

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