To be bothered by DH's new "food militancy"??? He's turned vegan and gone a bit nuts really.

[MrsMushroom]

He's always been into healthy eating and working out...it's part of his personality. Fine.

But...a friend of his (big into uncovering government plots and all that...lizard people you know)

Well this friend sent DH a copy of something called The China Study which is a big expose on our food chain etc.

All this happened BEFORE the horse meat thing.

DH is now vegan. He's constantly asking me to read the report...telling me things like "When meat protein mixes with milk protein that is what causes some cancers"

And the latest is that cheap peanut butter has mold in it...which causes cancer.

So we can only buy organic.

He won't eat any processed foods...we hardly have any anway! As a family we didn't eat a lot of meat...one roast chicken a week which we got 3 meals out of...and maybe a bit of bacon.

That was it...no red meat really as we're on a small budget.

I'm frigging SICK of hearing it all!

he's now on Skype with his paranoid mate and they're discussing the evils of that fake meat...what's it called...you know soy stuff.

I cooked a chicken yestersay which I ate with the DDs...he came in from work and asked me to cover the chicken up...I suspect because he was tempted.

AIBU to be bored and a bit annoyed?

Claig
If soya products do decrease fertility, then that makes them doubly good for the planet.

I'm sure I read somewhere that reproducing is the single most unenvironmentally thing you can do...

Ariel is right that the Japanese don't generally eat soya as it is placed in our food.

Yes, the hidden soya shouldn't really be called soya, more soya derivatives. Is completely different to traditional soy products.

'I'm sure I read somewhere that reproducing is the single most unenvironmentally thing you can do...'

Of course you have heard that because that is what they want you to think.

'If soya products do decrease fertility, then that makes them doubly good for the planet.'

Don't fall for their profession of 'saving the planet'. Decreasing fertility is bad for people, but it is what they want in order to maintain more 'resources' for themselves.

They want to measure your 'carbon footprint', they will tell you that your footprint is too big and that you need a smaller, tighter pair of shoes. You need to make cuts to 'save the planet' is what they will say. Now there is austerity but you ain't seen nothing yet. They want you to cut your meat consumption and begin to switch to food they say is good for the planet, but is it good for you?

Shun meat says UN climate chief

'"I would like governments to set targets for reduction in meat production and consumption," she said.

"That's something that should probably happen at a global level as part of a negotiated climate change treaty, and it would be done fairly, so that people with little meat at the moment such as in sub-Saharan Africa would be able to eat more, and we in the west would eat less."

Dr Pachauri, however, sees it more as an issue of personal choice.

"I'm not in favour of mandating things like this, but if there were a (global) price on carbon perhaps the price of meat would go up and people would eat less," he said.

"But if we're honest, less meat is also good for the health, and would also at the same time reduce emissions of greenhouse gases."

They say they are honest, honest guv.

The 'carbon' taxes are increasing the price of energy, and our fuel bills rise and rise inexorably. Sonn, we may find our meat prices rise too "if there were a (global) price on carbon perhaps the price of meat would go up and people would eat less"

What do you think we will be eating then? Soya and their meat protein substitutes, and they will say it is healthier than red meat and it has the advantage of "saving the planet".

They have told you about growing meat in labs from stem cells and they have told you how nutritious insects are for you.

Don't you wanna save the planet? Heaven knows they do!

In fact they want you dead so they can inherit the earth and start a new world order.

Who's they?
Would that be the lizards/

I don't know.

Ask claig. It's her area of expertise.

I don't know who the lizards are. Can you explain who they are, LadyBeagles?

IMO "They" are the fantasies belonging to the journos and news editors of Fox News and the DM etc.

I know a bloke who's into all this lizard business. It's best to smile and nod.

'Ask claig. It's her area of expertise.'

My area of expertise is healthy eating, climate caatastrophe and current affairs. Lizards and insects are off my radar, although I have read that they claim that insects are more nutritious than meat.

Yes I would 've agreed about smiling and nodding about the Lizard people until the very dirty business of Saville and all his extremely high level friends (how the fuck did he get away with it?).

Hmm. Good point about Savile.

I went vegan for a year after watching Earthlings [it's horrible...don't even watch the trailer]. I was veggie before that and had lots of books, knew how to do it properly etc. Towards the end of my first year with no animal products my hair started falling out, I fractured my pelvis while out for a (short) run one day, my teeth and back were aching constantly and I was hungry all the time. I could eat bowls and bowls of super-healthy bean, veggie, whole grain, nut, avocado, tofu recipes and still feel insatiably hungry ( and I struggled to keep weight on ). It's hard not to get swept up in the idea of a way of eating that prevents animal suffering, helps the environment, is "healthy" and saves you money. It feels like a win-win and at the beginning you feel great so of course you want everyone to switch over to your way of doing things...why wouldn't they?

Ultimately though, being vegan is not for everyone, despite the best of intentions. What changed my mind eventually (besides the obvious health factors) was the fact that plants (vegetables) need soil that is rich in animal remains and waste to grow, there has been no successful vegan culture in the history of the world ever ( vegetarian, yes, vegan no) and a diet that requires you to consume artificial supplements (b12 for example) is surely not meant to be.

I'd be patient with him and explain that he may not realize yet that veganism might not work out in the long run and that he should curb his enthusiasm until he figures out whether it agrees with him or not. And suggest he consider a little egg, fish or dairy....the higher quality protein is especially important for muscle repair and satiety if he's very active.

Well ok, if not lizards, explain to me who 'they' are.?

Explained it further up the thread.

Very good post, WifeofPie

'What changed my mind eventually (besides the obvious health factors) was the fact that plants (vegetables) need soil that is rich in animal remains and waste to grow'

But why do they sell the health benefits and say "But if we're honest, less meat is also good for the health"?

What's it all about, why do they try to scare us with global warming tales of destruction and drought, what are they up to, if only we knew that none of it was true

'the fact that plants (vegetables) need soil that is rich in animal remains and waste to grow''

Lierre Keith, a former vegetarian and vegan, has a book on that, called 'The Vegetarian Myth'

'And that?s the crux of her argument ? that modern industrial agriculture is wanton destruction. Grain-based, vegetarian agriculture is even worse, because it attempts to eliminate a crucial player in the normal life cycle of the planet. Animals, which provide manure, calcium, and other nutrients for the soil, have to be part of the equation. Whenever a culture turns to a grain-based agricultural system, these same problems arise. Annual grain crops killed the American prairie and, for the vegans out there, they kill the millions of animals, bugs, and birds that rely on specific ecosystems to survive. The vegan?s soy burger has nary an animal part, but the machines that worked the soybean fields were greased with the blood of a thousand organisms. The vegetarian?s wheat crops feed millions, but robs the land of nutrients and destroys the top soil necessary for life.'

has anyone mentioned Quorn yet? A man made fungus (somehow involving eggs) cultivated in factories and marketed as a healthy low fat meat substitute (though it was originally developed as animal food but was uneconomical to produce for this market).

WTF???!!!!

No one has mentioned that, BeCool, but I'm with you all the way!
But someone will probably say that it is more nutritious than meat, just like some say that insects are too.

Meat grown in vats from stem cells, insects more nutritious than meat, GM soy - all claimed to be good for you.

It's like something out of 'Brave New World', the scientists and technocrats love you and above all they are trying to "save the planet" just for little 'ol you.

Quorn isn't vegan...