Keep seeing this on threads which mention ff...how people couldnt be doing with getting up in the night andstsrilising bottles/making up feeds.
I bf and ff but found ff no problem at night - i would take up a carton of ready made formula and a pre sterilised bottle and i could feed without getting out of bed.
And yes, i know ready made formula is expensive and not everyone uses it. But some of us do/did.
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itsakindarabbit · 22/02/2013 21:56
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monkeymouse123 ·
26/02/2013 07:35
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Shagmundfreud ·
26/02/2013 08:01
"WHERE has the OP of this thread asked about advice/opinions about breastfeeding at all?"
FFS - see my comment about AIBU.
Very few threads that go on for more than a couple of pages stick rigidly to the questions or themes in the OP. They evolve. That's how this board generally works. My op was a response to other posts that went before. Everything else I've written on this thread has been in response to a comment or a challenge in another post.
"everyone's reasons are different for their method of feeding their baby, so what's the point of judging an individuals choice? Because I'm sure we've all got happy and healthy babies one way or another."
monkeymouse123, the reason human milk banks were set up was in recognition that breastmilk for preterm babies is sometimes lifesaving (mainly because of NEC) and that many mothers with preterm babies struggle to breastfeed or are unable to do it because their baby is so early or so poorly. Luckily, breastfeeding support in the NHS has improved a lot in the last 5 years and many more preterm babies are able to have breastmilk than before. If breastfeeding advocates hadn't pressured for this change to happen and had just thrown up their hands and said 'It doesn't matter how a baby is fed, as long as everyone's happy' then improvements may not have happened, and fewer preterm babies would be leaving hospital in good health than are currently doing so.
Really - this ridiculous focus on 'judging' and women's feelings. 
Jeeze. Breastfeeding advocates are focused on the issue of why breastfeeding is important to babies, and how as many babies as possible can access the benefits of breast milk. In other words - it's not all about YOU.
whathellcall ·
26/02/2013 08:59
I think your new thread will be safe enough detective
It's in the appropriate feeding forum and is clearly just about ff.
This thread clearly was started to challenge the assertion that bf is less faff than ff, the op herself admits that she started the thread in response to this assertion by a poster on another thread. If you reread the first few pages most people make ref to bf, so not just me who reads the op like this (a couple of times op is even accused of deliberately goading and starting a bunfight). Though I was the one accused of being passive aggressive when I suggested that the op could have been more careful in wording her initial post if she didn't want bf brought into the discussion 
MyDarlingClementine ·
26/02/2013 10:00
I'm honestly, completely sick of people on this thread insisting that voicing concerns about formula amounts to criticising mothers and making a case for a restriction of choice when it comes to how people feed their baby.
It isn't a criticism of mothers.
It doesn't mean that choice should be restricted.
It just doesn't.
Comments like "being told we're defective as parents" are just fucking childish and unfair, because nobody has said this. And you weaken your argument by saying they have. It's a straw man argument which is used to smear and discredit breastfeeding advocacy and it stinks.
Really - this ridiculous focus on 'judging' and women's feelings. sad Jeeze. Breastfeeding advocates are focused on the issue of why breastfeeding is important to babies, and how as many babies as possible can access the benefits of breast milk. In other words - it's not all about YOU.
Shagmundfreud ·
26/02/2013 13:56
ITS - you don't 'own' the contents of this thread any more than you own' a discussion you start in real life with any large group of strangers. The conversation will go where people want to take it. Posters have engaged with the points I've made; I can only assume they've considered it worth their time to do so, otherwise they would have ignored my posts and carried on discussing the issue in the OP. But they got bored and moved on.
Ok?
TheDetective ·
26/02/2013 14:20
No they got bored and started a new thread because those who wished to discuss the OP's thread, and not a tangent, would be lost in the posts from yourself and others.
I am a huge huge huge feeding advocate. Please feed your baby. Anyway you choose. As long as everyone is making an informed decision, and safely feeding their babies, that is good for me.
In an ideal world, all babies would be born and feed the way nature intended. Unfortunately, ideal world this is not. We all make our choices based on our own needs. Sometimes we feel it is not a choice - and you can argue and say you always had a choice. You can find ways to say, well, you could have done XYZ instead. Hindsight is a fabulous, fabulous thing. But to the person who had to make the decision at that time, many feel that there was no choice. You can't bloody turn round and tell them different. It is rude, unsupportive, and frankly, nasty.
If, however, you started a thread that discussed the reasons for people stopping or not starting breastfeeding and discussed ways around the obstacles then that would be acceptable. The post your wrote to monkeys was crass and insensitive to mention donor milk? Why? What good is that now? It should never get personal.
MyDarlingClementine ·
26/02/2013 14:33
Shagmundfreud Mon 25-Feb-13 22:26:44
comments like "being told we're defective as parents" are just fucking childish and unfair, because nobody has said this. And you weaken your argument by saying they have. It's a straw man argument which is used to smear and discredit breastfeeding advocacy and it stinks.
Shagmundfreud Tue 26-Feb-13 14:07:56
Sigh - thedetective my post back there was a strangled yelp of frustration at the inevitable comments on this thread along the lines of 'how very dare you say I'm a bad mother for formula feeding' that are ALWAYS wheeled out as some sort of lame challenge to attempts to defend the view that breastfeeding is important to babies.
It always happens. Always.
So, so boring and pointless.
Shagmundfreud Tue 26-Feb-13 08:01:45
Really - this ridiculous focus on 'judging' and women's feelings. sad Jeeze. Breastfeeding advocates are focused on the issue of why breastfeeding is important to babies, and how as many babies as possible can access the benefits of breast milk. In other words - it's not all about YOU.
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Shagmundfreud ·
26/02/2013 18:47
"I really really hope that you are not some kind of "peer supporter" or "lactation consultant". The thought of you being let anywhere near a vunerable new mother makes my blood run cold, it really does."
Don't worry. I'm not. 
But I can put my hand on my heart and say that in real life I have NEVER commented at all on anyone's choice to ff or to bf their baby. Because in real life nobody has asked me directly what I think about how they should feed their baby or what I think about it. Therefore I don't offer an opinion.
Because guess what? What's going on here isn't a breastfeeding peer support group or a feeding clinic. This is a debate board on the internet where people air opinions about a wide range of topics, including baby feeding, and therefore it's perfectly reasonable that I can express a view that I'd like to see more babies in the UK being breastfed, without being accused of being A BAD PERSON.
"In an ideal world, all babies would be born and feed the way nature intended. Unfortunately, ideal world this is not".
Yes, it's not ideal. Which is why so many people have advocated for changes to make it so that more babies are breastfed.
"But to the person who had to make the decision at that time, many feel that there was no choice. You can't bloody turn round and tell them different. It is rude, unsupportive, and frankly, nasty."
Sorry - I don't know what you're referring to here. I haven't commented on any one person's personal experience of feeding because I don't know enough about it to comment. If you're referring to the poster who said that she couldn't breastfeed her preterm baby, but then again it doesn't matter if babies are breastfed or not (including preterm babies I assume), you'll note I didn't speculate about her personal experience but pointed out - rightly - that breastfeeding is considered lifesaving for some preterm babies which is why they've set up milk banks for those whose mothers can't or won't breastfeed. Why is this comment offensive? She couldn't breastfeed, not her fault. You'd think she'd be cheered up by the knowledge that many tiny and sick babies whose mothers can't or won't breastfeed now have access to breast milk - something that could make a huge difference to their health. Why would anyone object to this being said?
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