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to point out that formula feeding doesn't necessarily require you to be sterilising bottles and scooping out powder in the middle of the night...

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itsakindarabbit · 22/02/2013 21:56

Keep seeing this on threads which mention ff...how people couldnt be doing with getting up in the night andstsrilising bottles/making up feeds.

I bf and ff but found ff no problem at night - i would take up a carton of ready made formula and a pre sterilised bottle and i could feed without getting out of bed.

And yes, i know ready made formula is expensive and not everyone uses it. But some of us do/did.

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Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 11:37

Yes! Fantastic invention! Chillipeeps

PeazlyPops · 25/02/2013 11:38

Zara1984 yes you can heat in the carton, just stand it in hot water.

Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 11:41

Thanks Peazly that is handy to know - may be going to Germany soon so if I could warm carton and use chillipeeps teat for night feeds that would be v handy!

inadreamworld · 25/02/2013 11:43

Am FF my 5 week old DD2. She wakes up once in the night and have no probs mixing powder although I sometimes do use the readymade cartons too. I find it SO much easier than breastfeeding (but then I hardly produce any milk and had bleeding nipples so BF is just not for me!) Same with DD1 when she was a baby - FF in the night was no problem.

MyDarlingClementine · 25/02/2013 11:47

"PrettyKitty - most people who find ff easier than breastfeeding, haven't experienced established, normal breastfeeding."

It doesnt matter what my personal experience is here - but I have to speak out agaisnt yet another stupid generalisation that keep getting trotted out by some,

I found FF much easier with my first DD, if someone had pushed me or told me I was a bad parent for FF I would probably have handed her over for adoption becasuse I was under tremendous strain in lots of areas and YES I was supported!

I used the cartons. It was brilliant and my DH could really help out and share the load, unlike with BF where you are totally tied to the baby.

Second time round, for lots of reasons I thought I would try again and THIS TIME with no other pressures on me, I am EBF its worked out and I am enjoying it.

Having done both, I would say for me - both come with plus and minus.

As for baby? Who knows, my other dd is a happy fine - non bedwetting 5 year old?

Shagmundfreud · 25/02/2013 12:02

"Ultimately, we don't know what the 'true' bf rates would be in a situation where women were genuinely free from undue influence, had information and had everything they needed in order to either bf or ff successfully."

Or indeed what would happen if we grew up in a culture where a product, the use of which is known to severely disrupt the normal functioning of breastfeeding, is thrust in women's faces day in day out through constant multi-million pound marketing campaigns, is ubiquitous, and is seen as the socially normal way to feed a baby.

Marketing campaigns, should I add, which on which much, much more money is spent than on health promotion of breastfeeding within the NHS.

"And Shag mental health,behaviour- seriously PMSL"

Amazing that you think this research - which is included on the UNICEF Baby Friendly site (UNICEF being responsible for overseeing quality standards in infant feeding training and accreditation across the NHS) is 'laughable'. Did you read it? If it's so ridiculous and not a serious piece of research, why has UNICEF included it on the site?

"Because a) the science is crap"

Can you be specific, or are you just going to say that off the top of your head without giving any detail? because you can't as you haven't read it properly

"even the dept of health don't think this is a benefit worthy of mention"

The study from the Telethon Institute in Australia was widely reported and has not been dismissed out of hand by other researchers, just be people like yourself who have a vested emotional interest in believing it to be a pile of crap. You'll find there is a mass of research out there on a whole range of health issues, not just breastfeeding, which is not specifically referred to in NHS recommendations or Dept of Health guidelines, because they tend to draw on the findings of clinical reviews of a wide range of evidence and not just individual studies. But the irony is that you and Chunderella and various others on this thread are not just going to dismiss out of hand the findings of any individual studies suggesting previously undiscovered benefits to breastfeeding, you also consistently and repeatedly dismiss pretty much everything the Department of Health and NHS information has to say on the subject anyway.

I don't think you'd believe there are any proven, significant benefits to breastfeeding if God himself came down from heaven and told you it was true - you simply don't want to accept it because you have a vested emotional interest in rubbishing the evidence, no matter where this evidence comes from or who it's validated by - the NHS, UNICEF, the Department of Health. As far as you're concerned it's all distorted, unreliable, insignificant.

"and c) poor mental health is caused by a whole host of things such as poverty,debt,unemployment etc,etc,etc"

Well, duh. Hmm I don't think anyone has set out to prove that bf is the only or the most important factor in depression, only that it might play a part.

Which of course you know. But if you acknowledged this it would damage your argument that the research is a pile of crap.

(wonders about the logic of many people happily accepting that diet rich in fish oils may well have a positive affect on some children's mental health and behaviour, but finding it completely bizarre that breastfeeding - which contains completely different fats than formula - might have an impact on the way the brain develops during a child's fastest period of growth).

Chunderella · 25/02/2013 12:03

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Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 12:07

I know, I didn't find out about the cartons until I ventured to Boots in a haze when DS was 2 weeks old!

The Chillipeeps teat is fab, I always keep a carton in my nappy bag for emergencies. Then if I am going out but not certain if DS needs a feed I chuck in chillipeeps teat, and away I go!

Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 12:08

I know, I didn't find out about the cartons until I ventured to Boots in a haze when DS was 2 weeks old!

The Chillipeeps teat is fab, I always keep a carton in my nappy bag for emergencies. Then if I am going out but not certain if DS needs a feed I chuck in chillipeeps teat, and away I go!

PeazlyPops · 25/02/2013 12:23

Sma now comes in bottles and you can buy a screw-on teat. It's very handy. We keep one of each in the car, in the change bag, inside the pushchairs raincover holder etc so that we always have one available.

Chunderella · 25/02/2013 12:24

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PeazlyPops · 25/02/2013 12:26

I don't understand why people think some parent use formula as a result of being bombarded with marketing.

hamdangle · 25/02/2013 12:31

I don't understand how you think that advertising for formula is shoved down our throats when my experience is that the opposite is true. All adverts begin with 'BF is best but if you want to...' In order to get any info about formula on any of the makers' websites you have to click a button where you have to say you understand that you are visiting this page because you want info on it so you can't stumble upon the information (because obviously if you did you then make a snap decision to change the way you feed your child)

As I said in my previous post, I attended anti natal classes last year and 17 years ago and I'm on the border so hospital in England but had care in Wales. I wasn't given any information at all about formula feeding but lots of support and information for breast feeding. We were told at anti natal class that we couldn't have any info on formula (but would answer questions) because they had to promote breast feeding. I have never come across anyone who has had a problem with breast feeding ever either only people who judge women for using formula.

Oh, and I found breast feeding very painful and not just at the beginning either. I think if people were more honest about the difficult aspects of feeding and don't just show lovely videos of happy mums with happy babies then it wouldn't come as such a shock to many women and they would find it easier to persevere.

PeppermintPasty · 25/02/2013 12:42

Haven't read the whole thread. I mainly bf, with a bottle at night. Used to take it up to bed with me and tuck it into my armpit (!), keeping it warm until ready. Never had a spillage.

Have I missed the point?

babiesinslingsgetcoveredinfood · 25/02/2013 13:09

chunderella I didn't see your comment. I am rather lovely.

whathellcall · 25/02/2013 13:14

Sorry Chunderella but it didn't seem clear to me that you were just referring to your own experience of sore baps. You do come across to me as not viewing bf very positively though.

Itsakinda you're the one who mentioned bf in your op, " I bf and ff but found ff no problem at night" If your op had been worded differently maybe it wouldn't have drawn so many bf comments. No need to shout about it, maybe just word your op a bit clearer next time.

ChairmanWow · 25/02/2013 13:15

Ignoring the fuckwittery and finding the useful info, screw on teats sound like the best invention ever! If my knockers decide to be crap again this time I'm deffo going for some of them. Must be so useful for changing bags as well as night feeds. Might get a couple in reserve just in case. Ta for t'tip. Smile

MeSoFunny · 25/02/2013 13:22

we ff with the cartons. Utter joy.

itsakindarabbit · 25/02/2013 13:26

I did bf though Hmm just describing what I did. I guess I could have just said I ff, but I didn't, I mixed fed, I was merely being descriptive!

I guess if you're the kind of person who dispenses sermons at the mere mention of bfing you could misconstrue something though Hmm

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itsakindarabbit · 25/02/2013 13:30

and you forgot the passive-aggressive smiley at the end of this sentence: "maybe just word your op a bit clearer next time"

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Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 13:37

Ok back to the practical tips - the ONLY annoying thing about chillipeeps teats is that they're fast flow, ie 3 months plus. DS is a guzzler so he would take them from just under 12 weeks. I have been meaning to email the woman who owns the company and tell her she needs to do fast-flow and medium-flow ones too.

Wish I'd bloody invented them, I'd be rich!

Peazly I should actually get some of those SMA bottles and screw on teats as my backup. They're fab. I was looking at them when I was figuring out how to do formula on long-haul flight recently. DS will take any bloody formula under the sun except SMA makes him smell like peanuts (?!) so that's one of the reasons we use Aptamil. Even less faff but peanut-smelling baby, hmmmm....

Zara1984 · 25/02/2013 13:40

For next DC I am totally having a box of the premade bottles + teats in the house as my backup if we have bf horrors again, or for use occasionally at night. Plus a couple of of those 1 litre pre-made bottles and the usual bottles, teats etc.

Like the eejit that I am I had no supplies or sterilising gear in the house. Thank god for a mate who lived close by, and for me listening very very carefully (hard on 3 hours sleep in 3 days which included labour!!) to the midwife when she was explaining to me how to make formula!!

MyDarlingClementine · 25/02/2013 13:40

I dont know about anyone else but I think its hard to have faith in any studies alot of the time, when " advice" changes all the time according to which study its based on, weening at 4 months, then 6 etc... x is good for you, now x isnt.

Another poster said there is more info out there about Bf than ever before, support groups in person and on line, I even had a BF person coming to my hospital bed to chat about it! There are even " help lines" where you can call someone to ask about it.....drop in centers, clinics - help groups..

Even alot of ads about FF say - breast is best for baby etc....

its so sad that there is sooo much pressure on mums esp first timers....its probably that pressure in self that does more damage than good....

I am so glad i wasnt on MN 5 years ago when had DD reading this kind of stuff would have put me in the insane asylum.

Have any studies been conducted as to whether its best for baby to be FF by a sane happy mum, or not fed at all by mum coz she is a quivering wreck - who cant cope and is actually hospitalised? Confused

whathellcall · 25/02/2013 14:06

No passive aggressive smiley, possibly one of these Hmm

EasilyBored · 25/02/2013 14:10

Ah but babies that puking stage didnt end until DS was 9 months old, breastmilk, expressed milk or formula made no difference. He was just a happy puker, and it was utterlu soul destroying to have him feed for nearly an hour, vomithe whole lot back up and then want to feed again. Four or five times a night. At least with a bottle someone else could help and emotionally it felt less draining. It's all very well talking about perspective when you aren't going through it. I received so much support and encouragement but I just couldn't continue resenting my lovely baby for wanting to eat.

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