To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

We can't afford a house, so what. I know exactly why we can't and it's not because of what the RICH & POWERFUL media owners want us to think it's because of.

I find it a bonkers system

so if you found yourself unemployed, you would do what exactly?

LittleMiss Exactly. :( Some of her children will be grown up though, going by the age she had her first the oldest should be around 22.

its not for the woman though is it, its for the kids. personally i'm happy for them to have that house, anything to improve the quality of life for children is a winner in my book

Also, how many of those 11 children that the woman in the article has will go on to put much back into society? My guess would be none

Thats just a guess so doesn't mean much in real terms, who knows with good teaching and decent living conditions, those children may do reasonably well at school, unfair to write them off at such a young age.

I know people who have grown up in difficult circumstances who have gone on to do ok for themselves, in fact Ive read lots of posts from people on MN saying similar.

countrykitten - completely agree.

Randall - I'm not going to apologise for having a well paid job. I am grateful for what I have, but on the other hand, I haven't always had it and have had to work very hard to get to where I am and I still do have to work very hard. I haven't always been on £40,000 - have obtained a few promotions to get to that position.

In the meantime, my pay is frozen. Pension contributions are up. I'll have to work until I'm 68, and given we aren't a long lived family that's a scary thought. Fuel costs are rocketing, and all in all Britain just looks bleak from where I am standing.

I'm not moaning about my own circumstances, exactly, although I would love to work a little less in the future and spend more time with children - that isn't an option though so just got to grin and get on with it - but can you not appreciate that (it feels) I am making sacrifice after sacrifice as (it feels) as if to fund people like the person in this article, the government are coming after Middle England time and time again, and as someone who is in Middle England by the skin of her teeth - well, it is depressing.

because if the adult children are living with their mother then the council or HA wouldnt need to rehouse them . so they stay on as dependants so it saves money,

Lockets It's not mysogynistic. I would say the same about her partner(s).

I have not ranted neither have I 'gone off on one' about immigration or the benefits culture EllieArroway. I have noticed though some rather cutting and sarky posts which have been intended to close down any debate and make people who feel that there could be an issue here to discuss feel uncomfortable about doing so.

Perhaps you should read the whole thread including what I have posted to gain more of an understanding.

?It is a nightmare because you can?t keep an eye on the children in the other house and there?s only one door between them which is a fire risk.?

This is the reason she has to be moved ^^

Seems reasonable enough. The council have a duty to house in safe conditions.
Its good they are building larger properties as there is currently a shortage of these in the housing stock.

As others have said she has not been "given" the house. She is renting it. Someone else will rent it when her tenancy ends.

Redwing,

I think the squeeze is on both ends. Bankers, useless twits like David Nicholson etc. need to be publicly scorned and preferably jailed.

This baby-factory woman and others like her that are milking the benefits system need to be publicly scorned and put to work.

In general, whether you are rich or poor, anyone who 'plays' the system egregiously should be punished.

I won't excuse her from public approbation just because others have gotten away with it.

Nooo they don't do that, Flatbread

IF someone adds a conservatory to the property, they may get up to £3k towards it if they then leave the property.

Not paying for it to be done

I agree with countrykitten (again) and with Flatbread

It's the politics of resentment. Why resent those with LESS than you. It makes no sense. Why not resent those who don't pay living wages for their workforce and yet award themselves big bonuses? etc. etc. etc. But no, be resentful of someone without the same opportunities. Makes perfect sense

So has anyone come up with another solution that isn't "bonkers" that doesn't rely on time travel so she can go back and have less kids?

" Here's a shocking idea though - why don'tthe people who HAVE the children, the mother and the father, take responsibility to feed, clothe, house and provide for them"

Given that she was a child herself when she had her first child, my thoughts would be she never stood a chance. Yes she's made bad decisions since I'm sure but she presumably had to grow up very quickly.

"baby-factory" please, reduce her to an object

There are very FEW "milking the benefits system" and for FAR FAR less than those at the top who milk the tax system.

^"So has anyone come up with another solution that isn't "bonkers" that doesn't rely on time travel so she can go back and have less kids?
"^

^^That.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but I've never been able to get my head round how people with lots of children can afford to rent even a housing association property. I know they're a bit cheaper than private accommodation but can't be that much cheaper.

Systems should be/have been put in place to help her when she was a lot younger. It is not fair to attack her for the way things have turned out years down the line, it is society's fault as well.

FWIW my mum had 5, me at 14 and three children by the time she as 18, 'given' a council house i.e. the single mothers the daily mail hate. My youngest sibling is 19, none of had children when we were in our teens. Only two of us currently have children, apart from the youngest (who is working part time and looking for more work) we all work full time and never relied on the state. Oh and I have a PhD. Don't write off the children.

Disapprobation, I meant.

Agree with country kitten (on lots of threads, it seems)

Redwing You might think differently if you had known someone exactly like this.

The one I know definitely does milk the system.

bequia, because they get their rent paid by Housing Benefit..