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To say he can't go to stag do if there are going to be strippers?

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DelphineD · 09/02/2013 23:10

I'm sorry if this ends up being long; I will try to keep it as concise as possible.

Last year DP went to a stag do (first one that has come up whilst we have been together). It was one of his closest friends, and one that I previously liked and respected. They were away for 2 nights. I had wondered if some sort of strip thing might be involved but I thought probably not as the friend was not that kind of man and DP assured me when he got back that there was nothing of the kind. I later found out (through my scarily good investigation and interrogation!!) that this was not the case. On the first night they had been to a strip club and on the second night there were topless waitresses at their apartment for about 3 hours. This info came out bit by bit. Each time DP would insist there was nothing more to tell, then I found out something else. Eventually I think I got a full confession out of him but it was difficult to be sure as he had lied so many times about it. I also got out of him that there had been topless waitresses at a work party he had attended some time before (I had suspected something wrong and he had always denied it before.) He claimed all this was not of his doing, it was not really of interest to him and he just went along with it because they were in a group and he didn't want to make a fuss etc etc. If he had had a lap dance, I would have broken up with him (friend had a lap dance and the man has gone down a lot in my estimation.) As it was I nearly broke up with him anyway. He knew how much I hated strippers and how I would feel about it, and he did it anyway. But I think the most damaging thing was the lying. I trusted him before, and he had destroyed all that.

We got over it and agreed that if there was anything like this again he would tell me the truth and face the music. He understands how much more damaging it was that he lied about it. Since then, I have been to a work party where there was a male stripper. I didn't know in advance but I did know once I got there and I could have come home. It seemed a bit hypocritical, but I went anyway. I just sat at the back, while some of the married women in my group, went up on stage, straddled the stripper, took their wedding rings off, etc etc. That made me think that I wasn't so worried about DP being present in a large room where women were stripping, it was how he behaved and the interaction that would bother me. Hence why I was more upset about the topless women in the apartment than the ones in the strip club. FWIW I believe he would have behaved in a similar way to me in his situation. But his friend having that lap dance upset me, and made me think you can't trust any man, even the ones who seem nice and like they really love their partners.

Now he has his DB's stag party coming up. It's in the city where we live, but some people will be coming from elsewhere so there will be an apartment rented again. He has said he will tell the truth about it this time. He has admitted that the best man is planning something to do with strippers but nothing is booked in yet. I'm already feeling upset about it already and I just don't want him to be around strippers at all. WIBU to say, if that is happening, I don't want you to go at all?

OP posts:
MarmaladeTwatkins · 10/02/2013 18:56

Hmmm, no-one is questioning Princess stripping for her DP, that's her own business. But she said that she stripped for him after he'd been to a LDC. To compete with the strippers he'd been leering at earlier. Then because she'd done that for him, unpaid, he did stuff for her that any normal partner in a normal relationship would do.

I think that Princess needs to set the bar higher for her relationships if she has to strip for her bloke to get "the princess treatment".

Her self-esteem has nothing to do with her body and everything to do with the fact that her boyfriend pays to see tits that don't belong to her.

Eebahgum · 10/02/2013 19:13

That's your assumption - I'm clearly not in a position to say you're wrong but there is every possibility that she has had self esteem issues all if her life, from long before she met her husband. And I love the idea that what she got afterwards was what a normal partner would do in a normal relationship. Not sure I know any women who regularly get foot rubs from their husbands. I guess the men up here must be less thoughtful/romantic than the average husband. X

Ashoething · 10/02/2013 19:20

Again I ask if it so "normal" for people to go to places where stangers strip then why arent hordes of women going off on these wild booze/stripper weekends? No women get to go to cocktail nights or spa weekendsHmm

My not wanting my dh to go to these places is fuck all to do with not trusting him. Yes its true that if he wanted to cheat he could easily do it when out drinking/clubbing. Its about the fact that people in this day and age still think its acceptable for MEN-and lets be honest it is in that vast majority men-to be able to go and essentially have stimulated sex with a complete stranger and also pay for the privalege! But its ok because its their "right" as menHmm

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 19:24

I've not ran away anywhere, just been off enjoying a foot rub ; p
H didn't even get a dance btw, he was there for his brothers stag, he went paint balling for his stag, pretty sure no titties there. My point was to the OP that whilst I would never recommend doing anything that made them uncomfortable, from my personal experience sharing the reasons why I was insecure allowed me to really open up both emotionally and sexually and it's been wonderful for our relationship but apparently I'm holding up the whole female revolution for not banning him from going in the 1st place. I don't own him, he isn't a possession nor am I a piece of meat but I am his hot sexy wife and il be dammed if anyone wants me to keep my dressing gown on to please the feminists.

Ashoething · 10/02/2013 19:28

So you would be happy for your dh to go to a club and have stimulated sex with a pretty girl on the dance floor then princess? because thats what it amounts too. Or is it only ok when its on a stag night because that a mans right?

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 19:31

But you referred to yourself as a piece of steak did you not princess? Make your obviously very confused mind up.

whathellcall · 10/02/2013 19:35

Jesus wept. Depressing reading at the start of this thread. Agree with Marmalade et al. Scary number of women on here who seem to think it is in any way normal to accept your partner paying for sexual favours, and to label a woman as controlling and insecure if she doesn't Shock.

Eebahgum · 10/02/2013 19:37

Glad you're back princess & hope you enjoyed your foot rub. As far as I'm aware, your comments about him not wanting beef burgers when he has steak at home are a fairly common saying. Maybe some of the other posters haven't heard it before? It's really not the same as saying "my husband thinks I'm a piece of meat". X

WilsonFrickett · 10/02/2013 19:39

To detour slightly (what they hey, right?) I am completely Shock that more than one poster has mentioned visiting strippers and LDC's in the context of business deals/supplier treats, that sort of thing. I honestly, genuinely didn't believe that happened apart from in the Fail's more frothing exposes of city traders. I am completely gobsmacked this is still seen as an acceptable business practice.

As you were.

garlicblocks · 10/02/2013 19:43

Princess, I like your post just now. You're taking about a little journey you've made in self-discovery and a healthy development in communication between you & your DH. The trigger for this happened to be a visit to a strip club. But it could easily have been something else, because that's where your relationship and your self-image were at just then :)

The nature of the trigger doesn't have to inform your views about the sex industry at all. You could still take on board all the reasoned, informed posts here and it won't change the good developments in your relationship.

I'm saying your new self-confidence and improved relationship haven't happened because of the strip club, iyswim? You don't owe it anything! You did all that by yourself.

PrincessUnderpaid · 10/02/2013 19:44

My husband received a lap dance from me not a stripper. He went to a club and heaven forbid might have seen some tits and ass whilst his brother got a lapdance. The point is I'm secure enough in my marriage that we satisfy each other. Ashoething - he doesn't drink and he hates nightclubs so I don't concern myself but if he did go out, he would hopefully behave like the gentleman I know him to be. Stag Dos and Hen Dos might not be to everyone's taste but its only a bit of fun and its supposed to be mortifying not sexy.

garlicblocks · 10/02/2013 19:46

YY, Eebahgum, I've been trying not to comment on that and hoping it'd go away! It's a stupid saying, but a common one. Some film star (Richard Burton??) said it in the sixties and it caught the public imagination ... despite the later discovery that he had, in fact, cheated.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 10/02/2013 19:46

The burger/steak analogy is actually very telling. Made up by men who can only compare women to cuts of meat.

Yes it has been absorbed into common parlance as a turn of phrase but it's subconscious meaning is depressing.

FreudiansSlipper · 10/02/2013 19:47

the burger out steak at home is not said to men is it Hmm

In other words lucky you I managed to keep my cock in my trousers but it could have easily slipped out but I remembered I have it good at home now reward me for being such a good boy

FreudiansSlipper · 10/02/2013 19:51

no lap dancing is not abut mortifying someone it is about sexually exciting your client, now who else sexually excites their clients

there are other ways to have fun and if you want to include embarrassing the stag/hen it does not need to be in a sexual way

ledkr · 10/02/2013 19:53

Quite telling that someone who thinks its ok for a partner to visit a Ldc is also go smacked that some men might give their wife a foot rub. My dh does that for me every night and tickles my back on demand. Must normal couples are touchy and tactile with each other which is possibly why they don't feel the urge to visit sex establishments.
A shoe thingI've asked that its one if many unanswered questions
I maybe wrong but there is every possibility that she has had self esteem issues all if her life, from long before she met her husband
Yes she may and what a lovely job her husband did to reassure her Hmm

garlicblocks · 10/02/2013 19:53

Wilson - I felt under considerable pressure to provide the same entertainment as many of my male colleagues. As my confidence increased I realised I could just as successfully take a bunch of men for a boozy dinner instead, so that's what I normally did. But - and it's a big 'but', more for the FWR board than AIBU - after I'd stopped initiating visits to strip clubs, the men in the office stopped including me on theirs. This meant I missed out on quite a bit of internal networking. There could have been other reasons for this; I fell foul of office politics in the end anyway. But it might, also, have been a direct consequence of my giving up 'honorary bloke' status.

Eebahgum · 10/02/2013 19:57

I think you're reading far too much into the burger/steak analogy. I guess burgers & steaks are things a lot of men like. I think it's completely irrelevant & coincidental that they are meat. I certainly don't think it means 'lucky you that my cock didn't slip out'. X

Ashoething · 10/02/2013 19:58

Ebahgum-please stop putting x on the end of your posts-this is not netmums you knowGrin

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 20:00

RE the steak/burger thing - it is a totally VILE thing to say even if it is in common use.

But the worst thing is to hear a woman use it about themselves - hey look we don't need men to refer to us as slabs of meat, no we're all emancipated and can do that all by ourselves. We should be aiming higher.

WilsonFrickett · 10/02/2013 20:01

garlic You're right, probably best saved for FWR but then a poster above did give 'the feminists' a ticking off for focusing on objectifying women as a 'real' feminist issue. Of course there could be no direct link between you choosing not to play along with objectifying women and your subsequent falling foul of office politics, could there???? ::sarcastic emoticon::

countrykitten · 10/02/2013 20:02

And ebahgum - what planet are you on if you really don't think the meat thing is relevant?

Eebahgum · 10/02/2013 20:03

ledkr he tickles your back on demand? Wow - sounds like you've got him right where you want him there. My dp only does that kind of thing when he actually wants to, but fortunately he's tactile enough for me to not need to demand physical contact from him. X

FreudiansSlipper · 10/02/2013 20:04

the point I am making is why would anyone even need to say that. Of course I would not expect a partner of mine to go to a strip club because he would not want to not because he has better at home but because he respects women and our relationship who is more attractive or he finds me more attractive does not come into it

Eebahgum · 10/02/2013 20:04

I'm sorry my x offended you ashoething.