Mass Immigration, scare mongering??

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Am I being unreasonable to think it is a problem or am I just falling prey to media propaganda? The whole EU debate seems to have highlighted it but I would like to understand it better.

Also we need more stats on here so we can talk in real terms.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-and-uk

tbh I'm more worried about mass immigration from the east outside the eu and africa. really sad and scary things going on right now.

Mousy are you saying white immigrants are ok but any non white ones are not??! Dear god.

no, not saying that at all.
eastern eu will (most probably) not be a mass immigration but the boats full of african refugees is a huge problem already for italy/malta/cyprus/spain and will spread through all of europe including the uk.

I stand corrected re the housing benefit.

Mousy - eastern Europe will not bring mass immigration? You need to go read the stats. Where have you been the last few years?! And it does sound from your post that you are irrationally terrified of 'boats full of africans'. Just to let you know, technology has now advanced. We now have planes.

but Mrs de Vere you still haven't commented on my links. Are they untrue. I know the housing benefit criteria has changed but this was before then. How did the people in the story manage to get such large properties and in such nice areas. Are they actors and have the mail rented the house from someone else for an hour to make up a story.

I thought the Blog by Dave Farmer was a sensible point of view.

what is silly about what I am posting or asking. I am not trying to do a silly little me act. I will have a look at the other figures as well.

What Mousey is saying may be true as this already happens. Often some of the refugees/ecomomic migrants have already lived in places such as Norway or Holland first. My mum asked the kids why they had come to Brtitain and they said the parents wanted to learn English.

Why can't we sort out who is already here first and make sure there are enough jobs and housing. Is it good to keep on building on fields and concreting over them. What about wildlife and protected species.

Where my in laws live in Oxfordshire there has been mass house building on the outskirts of the town. One farmer had his farm purchased without choice by the government even though it was economically viable and then more shoe box houses built on it. We will have to import more food which will become more expensive and people can be controlled by food and shortages.

I agree with what williamina is saying.

I looked at the figures you supplied.

What do you think about the migration watch site.

www.migrationwatchuk.org/WhatYouSay

Mrs Devere. You need to chill out. Seriously.

I was using my iPhone and trying to quickly find some useful links. While I was in bed. Plus it's quite difficult to find some good charts that show immigration over long periods of time - a lot of the ONS stats are quarterly or written in text not charted. I am familiar with migration watch but I wasn't linking to them because I have some kind of bone to pick.... I literally found the best stats I could in the quickest time. While half asleep.

Not everyone on MN has an agenda. In Glasgow we call this 'being chippy'.

But the reason I added stats is virtually everyone on the thread was talking anecdotally and I thought it was helpful, if we were going to talk about mass immigration or even increases in immigration, that we might want to refer to some figures!!

ok Mrs de vere but let's not take the lords name in vain. Nothing to do with him.

Yes the posts are 2 years old but surely they are of relevant because it has been an ongoing problem for years' especially since NL came into power in 1997.

I am using a pc not a laptop. My dd's one drives me mental. I didn't see the terrorist thing but so what if it is on there.

Of course Migrationwatch has a bias. It is trying to protect the borders and our way of life. Why is that so bad. Why do we need to have so many people here?

I haven't got any agenda. I think the subject we are discussing is of major concern. I live in the overcrowded Greater London and I don't think we need any more people here especially unskilled impoverished ones. We have been tolerant and generous over the years' but we are in a recession and have a huge deficit.

watched question time and the MP Ben Bradshaw or Ming (Menzies) said our biggest spend was on welfare.

Main reason that I am an immigrant is that I didn't want dh exposed to this kind of crap in my home country. Being English, he looks dark and foreign and struggles with pronouncing other languages, so would no doubt have drawn down exactly the kind of comments we see on this thread. And exactly like the British, the Swedes are convinced they are the only ones in the world running a superior welfare system that is being exploited by feckless immigrants.

Could someone please indicate a small uninhabited rock in the North Sea where dh and I can go and live without being in anybody's way?

Mrs devere, you're still being unnecessarily chippy.

But Mrs Devere, don't you know? If immigrants are working, they are stealing our jobs. If they have good educations, it's because of the terrible social conditions in their country of origin that have allowed their family to prosper. If they are poor and uneducated but still working, they are only employed because they are cheap, not because they have any skills that a British person does not have. If they are not working, they are lazy and scroungers.

mrsdevere you are very right in your definition. DH moved to NZ with his white English parents when he was a child. I'm sure most see him as a migrant, as he sounds like one. But on paper he isn't as he is born here. It's all about perception.

I think it is my business Mrs De Vere to comment if I found it offensive which I did and I have been polite about it :).

Yes I think some immigrants are on welfare as are some indigenous people so I think it would be best to sort this out first. yes it has been happening for centuries but not as much as it has done in the the last 15 years.

My grandparents were immigrants and grandad had to flee because of persecution so understand I am on not totally unsympathetic towards asylum seekers and refugees but I do think there have been too many economic migrants who want a better life but need our welfare system to house them etc.

The Channel 4 Dispatches three-part series 'Immigration - the inconvenient truth' (presented by Rageh Omaar) was, I thought, very good and well-researched.

I'm sure it must be available to view online somewhere.

fair enough Mrs De Vere but I think it would be nice if you apologised for it and I am keeping out of your business.

By the way I meant to say it upthread but I am sorry that your DH is ill. Must be difficult for you. Hope I am not offending you by mentioning it and I am not trying to be passive aggressive