AIBU to think there is a problem on MN discussing anything at all to do with income

[amillionyears]

There are a lot of threads started nowadays, that are causing offence to people who are on low incomes.

It is getting increasingly difficult for those on higher incomes to discuss quite a lot of things.

I dont know if the answer is for those with more income, to not talk much about anything, or those with less income to let them talk about what they want to talk about.

I dont know the answer to all of this.
I would like both sets, or indeed anyone in the middle, to be in harmony on MN!

The problem is that some incredibly frivolous "problems" which are mere budgeting issues (school fees versus foreign holidays) get confused with much more fundamental problems (nanny versus nursery). The fact that these are all First World rich people's problems means they sometimes get lumped together by resentful or envious posters as "undeserving" of others' attention.

What would you consider an income level sufficient so that you never have to budget or struggle then persimmon?

@freebutton I see it on both sides tbh. There are those who think people could all afford private education 'if they stopped going on holiday'. They are tits who's private education made them shit at maths.

But there are also people on lower incomes who have their head in the sand about how everything doesn't automatically get better, or even easier, with an extra £5k per year in the bank account, and to be honest, they piss me off as much as the rich tits, but they aren't flamed as much. They also appear to be shit at maths.

A major issue during the recent US elections was raising taxes on the top 2% of Americans. I can't remember the exact polling figures but those for and against the increase was evenly split.

Think about it. Yawning deficit. Economists saying that it was only going to get worst if there is no new sources of tax revenue. In spite of this, 50% of those who had an opinion was against raising taxes on uber rich people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg.

Can you imagine your average Brit being against increasing Richard Branson's tax bill?

This thread says it all about us Brits and our attitudes towards people that are better off than us.

that was why I asked the question about the headteacher and the cleaner @totallyBS.

It's not only on here but in real life, how many of us are going to tell anyone, they can no longer claim child benefit because they earn too much.

I think they should have cut it altogether.

ethel you still haven't responded to my reply about the difference between the cleaner and the headteacher.

Do you not think that rude?

I have now suggested a "squeezed middle topic" to MN, as several have mentioned it, and no one seems to object to it.

@hully no its an internet forum and I owe you nothing. You ignored several of my posts earlier on.

I am well aware of the difference between the two, don't patronise me. And I am very very pissed off that I was misquoted by other posters down thread.

The point was why does the headteacher who works hard get less sympathy than the cleaner when both work very hard? That is not a question that has really been answered.

Your attitude really stinks and you have more than proved the point the OP was making. Why are you so bitter, why can't you see the hypocrisy?

Oh

You really are rude.

I haven't ignored any of your posts, certainly not on purpose.

I haven't seen any misquoting either.

The answer to (because it was answered):

The point was why does the headteacher who works hard get less sympathy than the cleaner when both work very hard? That is not a question that has really been answered.

is the Headteacher gets:

1. A pension
2. Sick pay
3. Holiday pay
4. Status
5. The ability to move jobs, to move sideways in his profession, in short opportunities which a cleaner doesn't have.

That's just 5.

If you honestly think there is no difference and both deserve equal sympathy (tho not pay of course), then wow, just wow.

Why exactly does my attitude stink?

What point have I proved?

so does a freelance journo get more sympathy than the teacher? Despite earnign more?

(I was misquoted as saying I had no respect and empathy for the cleaner when I had in fact explicity stated that I had both. You ignored mine and several people's points about what costs more for higher earners. Whether that was to make a deliberate point I do not know, but you did).

It will possibly make MN a bit of a laughing stock if we are going to chop it up into sections like Squeezed Middle, Undeserving Poor, and Pinching Diamond Shoes. I look forward to MNHQ's response.

freelance journo and teacher are both professionals.

I didn't ignore for eg childcare costing more, I pointed out that houses, childcare and whatever the other one was were not income-specific, they were a question of scale. As did others. Sometimes if others have addressed a point I don't because it gets repetitive. If you address something specifically to me, I will respond if I see it.

Please tell me you see the difference b/n the cleaner and the headteacher.

MN must quail when they see there is an email from dear old amillion.

I have already explicity stated I see the difference. Your being pretty rude by not reading my replies properly.

A journalist is not a profession in this country. There are exams and examining bodies in the trade, but they are not essential and it is no more a profession than being a painter/decorator.

Hahaha at squeezed middle and undeserving poor.

You are a party pooper BOF.

I want feckless fuckwits, the I'm alright Jacks and the considerably richer than yeeoooows

Maybe....If you are whinging about how hard life is on your large salary then perhaps you do need a wake up call from the rest of the users. Its called realism. Realising that you arent that badly off puts your complaint into focus. The reason people are scared of posting in such a situation is because they are aware their complaint is basically trivial and ridiculous. Asking people to be 'sensitive' to such posters is basically asking poeple to quit being honest.

Ok

Then please say that you can now see why one is more deserving of SYMPATHY than another, based on pay, pension, holiday and sick pay and status.

There isn't a problem on MN discussing 'anything at all to do with income' - there's a problem with discussing things in ways which seem tactless, thoughtless or heartless in any topic, though. Like if you started a thread saying 'Am in bits - dd only got an A in physics but A* in everything else' you might get a few backs up. You have to see things in a wider context, and consider who might be posting and responding - seems obvious enough.

I'm broke most of the time but do not mind others talking of money problems, I have had more money before this erm.. skint time so erm.. no I don't care tbh!

I am also quite nosy, so I do not mind people with high incomes talking about it if something is bothering them.

Maybe we should have a 'special section' for those who do not call their toilets toilets though, just wrong on so many levels.

It's an internet forum. You never really know who you are talking to and what their circumstances are.

it's a risk of posting anything anywhere that you might get a kicking. I don't like that but that's how it is.

I love reading posts about people's money. I am nosy as hell.

@hully no because I wasn't talking about sympathy and I am not going to discuss this according to your terms.

Why can't I discuss income on my terms? Can't you see that you are proving the OP's point about there being a problem on MN discussing anything to do with income without getting quite pissy over one little, eeny, weeny comment about inverse snobbery on MN?

However, i dont see why she should have more sympathy than a headteacher of a difficult inner city school actually.

Ethel you said exactly that.

I have also checked back through the thread and seen that not only did I answer you, but I apologised for not doing so sooner because I lost one of my posts!