and it is my sodding keyboad and its sticky letters that is diving me bananas!... <<<---see! I think I have put all the letters back in and post, then notice something crucial... this is what happens when ds walks on/sits on the keyboard (and no I caan't take him/the keyboard with me everytime I go for a wee/cook tea.. ) so apologies for the lack of capitals/txt spk..the lack of grammar is all my own doing though!