to think MN shouldn't support boots co-advertising newborn bottle sets and "follow on" milk

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when there's a national campaign on to promote BF?

Presumably this advert passes the letter of the law regarding the non-advertising/non-special offers on formula for new born's but it defies the spirit in every way possible.

AIBU to expect a little more social responsibility from MN?

Thanks shag and hairclips thats interesting.

Haha I bf three of mine for over a year each from 17-24 then had aggressive breast cancer at 27 so forgive me for not taking much notice of statistics
If you have underlying breast ca then bf can actually accelerate it as well.

Chandelina - I'm reasonably happy to go with UNICEF and NHS evidence on this subject.

I like it that bodies of experts in these organisations - midwives, doctors, scientists, who have specific training in assessing and understanding research across a broad field, review evidence from a wide range of sources and come to a conclusion.

I think it's much more reasonable to do this than pick individual papers, hastily read the abstracts and present them as concrete FACTS in threads like this.

Oh PrettyHairClips - none of the "adverts" are from the UK!

Bless you!

Your lovely rather paltry American link by somebody I've never heard of acknowledged the need for caution re obesity due to lifestyle(no shit Sherlock),said sids weren't directly attributed to ff and I lost the will to live re the rest of it because most of it has been challenged by other studies.

do people still not know what causes obesity

As overeating is the main cause, have you ever researched how formula feeding encourages over-eating in later life both psychologically and physiologically

Aware thread has probably moved on, just been skim reading but in response to jenaimorris and in support of boggler the same happened to me dd ended up in neo natal at 5 days old dehydrated and really ill I was devestated and the paediatrician said that it happens regularly they see a few babies a week, who have lost lots of weight or because of complications of breast feeding. I was breast feeding my baby as I thought this was best for her, only problem was that I had been/was so poorly that i was bearly producing any milk and wasnt aware she was not getting any as you cant see how much milk they are getting with brest feeding. So as someone else said up thread dd was introduced to formula by neo natal nurse and it saved her life! not as part of some conspiricy theory where nurses peddle ff.

*Oh PrettyHairClips - none of the "adverts" are from the UK!

Bless you!*

Erm...the one rated as #1

But where r the stats for more babies were breast fed then HIV transition would go up by --- as there's a chance it could get thru the milk.
--% of babies would be mal nourished as mum
Didn't produce enough milk
----would suffer from
Narcotic addiction as mum had to be on pain killers.

There are negatives too if formula feeders have to hear about the negatives then fairs fair.

I just hate this formula feeder bashing there's no need. We all love our children!!! We read bed time stories take them out, cuddle them, sing to them. Breastmilk is great bit it takes more than that to raise all these happy healthy children!

Good lord I have heard it all now. I have to go and lie down.

I think most bash the producers of formula rather than the end user.

Shag, I switched to ff mainly because it was the best choice for me. Yes, me. Not a baby. A woman. I fucking hated bf, and my mind was slowly unravelling. I felt trapped, claustrophobic (colostrophobic? I can laugh now :) ) and utterly lost as a person. So I committed the worst crime of womanhood. I put my needs first.

Everybody knows that breast feeding is ace for babies. But I chose to stop at 12 weeks, for me. Do I need to explain to you why that might make me feel a tad shit?

And I had tons of support. An army of hcps. A wonderful dp, a fab family. But I still lost my mind and I'm still on the fucking tablets so if you think it's all about making the best choice for the baby then you might want to open that mind of yours and accept that we all count, even us mothers. This is the real world.

Do enlighten us Pretty.

Actually obesity is often caused by kids being err fed too much shit food during their entire childhood,being set poor nutritional standards and lack of access to healthy food oh and err rather crucially not enough exercise and too much inactivity such as long periods in front of screens.

In the 60s mothers were encouraged to produce chubby babies so many mothers bottle fed formula which was often laced with rusk and raw egg. The obesity epidemic didn't exist.

I was one of those babies,have always been a slim healthy size due to my good fortune in having a mother who produced a balanced healthy diet with very little junk and plenty of exercise throughout my childhood.

Your scaremongering and stat twisting is getting boring.

This thread is getting boring.

What's the actual point in it? Agree to disagree?

Shagmund, I've spent a lot of time reviewing the research because I genuinely want to understand how important or not it is to breastfeed. I had a hell of a time breastfeeding my first Rosin's 2009 article in the Atlantic Monthly was a big influence in convincing me the benefits had been vastly overstated.

I think it's important not to rely on meta analysis being spun in one direction or another and actually take a look at the individual findings some of these wild health claims are based on, because they are really not compelling.

Shag I don't think anyone is arguing against breast being best in general. Just pointing out that

It isn't best for everyone individually

It isn't possible for everyone

Advertisements of follow on milk are not the main contributing factor to low bf rates

and that where other women ff feed for whatever reason, it's really none of your business

With cat.

I agree HairClips, it seems that MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE (never mind what, as long as I get to choose) is the most important thing!

Pretty

I combi fed DS for a number of reasons, one of which was DH really wanted to be involved in feeding him and I couldn't express

I put a mans needs before my baby

May I join Morris in the terrible mummy corner?

One of the top foods found to promote weight gain, by a truly comprehensive study, is juice.

Sooooo pretty I take it you're against mothers working and putting their kids into childcare,mothers not providing 5 a day,mothers who let their kids sit in front of screens,mothers who don't ensure their kids do 3 lots of proper exercise a week,mothers who spend spare cash on themselves instead of educational activities for their kids,mothers who don't play with their kids,mothers who don't do daily educational activities .........etc etc

You're not?

Then woman up it's not all me,me,me!

I put a mans needs before my baby. May I join Morris in the terrible mummy corner?

I find it bizarre that you think it's funny and morally acceptable to prioratize that way.