to think MN shouldn't support boots co-advertising newborn bottle sets and "follow on" milk

[ICBINEG]

when there's a national campaign on to promote BF?

Presumably this advert passes the letter of the law regarding the non-advertising/non-special offers on formula for new born's but it defies the spirit in every way possible.

AIBU to expect a little more social responsibility from MN?

I never complained about the advertising.

In my opinion if the choice is between FF or starving your child how does finding out how supposedly 'bad' formula is help at all?

dreaming oh god yes! My DH has been on about this for ages and I have been labelling him a crank....but he is right. When toys get painted in china with whatever is cheapest (lead) then how can you even try and protect yourself?

Twas on the radio the other day that they should consider replacing the soil in nurseries and schools....

It's like asbestos all over again.

green good luck with that!

I get information from a wide range of sources and am capable of evaluating its reliability, as are most people. MN is a discussion forum - so it is an ideal venue for discussions about all aspects of infant feeding, including the relative health implications of different feeding methods. Trying to suppress that in case people's feelings are hurt is ridiculous.

Come on its not a MN debate without ending on a fuck or cunt!

How do I know if lead paint has been used?!

Yes,it factors basic s/e. It is still circumstancial.
I will believe it when it says 100% formula will cause xyz.

okay really last one.

Mrshels There is no point whatsoever worrying about feeding choices after you made them.

The problem is that you cannot have a thread, or an advert, or even a point of information that uniquely addresses only people who have yet to make their choice. I think it is unfair to leave a thread when people have stated it makes no difference how you feed, in case someone is misled by that incorrect information. The unfortunate side effect is that people who have already made the choice / had no choice are also re-exposed to the facts.

If I could find a way to only speak these facts to the pregnant people I would use it - I promise.

I am sensitised to "fuck" and "cunt"

We need to create some new, really shocking obscenities!

Kaola you can't seriously have believed all babies have to switch at six months. Where did you grow up?

OP I agree with you 100% about the advertising of formula. I don't know why so many people seem to think you were criticising parents who choose to ff, your complaint was about advertising.

Something that's never pointed out about bf is the high numbers of malnourished and dehydrated newborns readmitted to hospital within 2-3 weeks of being born - my poor dn bring one. My ds was bf and as midwives don't like weighing babies anymore it wasn't spotted that he was basically dying from lack of nutrition. He was blue lighted to hospital at 3 weeks thanks to a locum doctor and was worked on for 4 hours until he was out of danger but it was very close and consultant said 1 hour longer and it would have been too late. The reason for recounting this tale is that shockingly on average one bf baby is readmitted to each hospital in the uk roughly once a week although admittedly most are not quite as sick as my dn. This is never publicised and is proof that bf is not always best and alternative feeding a healthy baby is better than bf when there's not enough supply.

If your desensitised to cunt we are in trouble. That's the worse word I know!

koala you can send off paint samples for testing - google to find people who do that.

If it is a toy, you can kinda rely on anything that is made solely in america/europe etc. but if it says made in china, or parts made in china you cannot be sure. It is the toy seller that has responsibility to check but they don't check every batch and when bits come from 15 sources you can bet they haven't checked them all.

Every so often a toy gets recalled because a part supplier was found to be using paint that had more than the legal max amount of lead.

If you live in an old house with peeling paint I would get it checked out. It is like asbestos in that stripping it is the most dangerious thing to do. So test pain before you redecorate if you have small children around.

There government issues guidelines on this sort of thing if you are worried about how to proceed safely with renovations etc.

Before I get flamed heres the link:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7867686.stm

Yes ICB,in my health clinic their are only bf support posters. You should remove them at once.

ariel thanks...but I honestly do get why people feel that way and I am fucking furious on behalf of every single person who got bombarded with the antenatal guilt barrage and then got dumped to get on with it with inadequate support after the birth.

Green sleeves there is nothing we need to know re formula that we don't already know,you'd have to be living on Mars not to know that bf has slight benefits for babies in this country.Considering that most women that do it only do it for 6 months out of a whole childhood the benefits in this country with great formula,equipment and clean water are minuscule.

If parents really want to worry about their dc's health look at what they eat once weaned,their screen time and exercise.

Boggled I agree the consultant that treated my daughter said it's nigh on scandalous that it isn't more widely reported.

Cunt? pah, how about cluntch??

I am confused as to why you feel able to evaluate information intelligently, yet apparently the rest of us can't so the advertisment shouldn't be shown.

This thread is just bizarre

Firstly the straw men being built; criticising formula advertising is no criticising mothers who ff

And secondly for the astonishing number of mumsnetters who alone of all the world are impervious to advertising

I agree with you OP

ICBINEG you say you have stated facts in response to requests for proof. That isn't what we asked for. We asked for links to studies and statistics so that we can look at them too, and form our own conclusions. I have seen a few posts where you say you've PMd information, which is fine, but you haven't given the rest of us a chance to look at your sources. Stating fact/opinion is not the same as providing proof.

Please provide links to the studies, figures and other information relevant to your arguments to the thread as a whole.

I have explained my objection to the adverts below LookBehindYou (appropriate name btw)

The motives and tactics of big commercial formula producers don't bear much relation to those of parents posting information and opinions for discussion with other parents on a parenting forum