For telling 11 year old dd she can't come with us to see Les Mis?

[Picturesinthefirelight]

She turned 11 recently, still in primary school. Doesn't know about sex and stuff yet

From reading an American guide for parents website it seems the film shows fantine selling herself in a bit more detail (apparently it shows the man lowering her top, thrusting then leaving after paying)

Dd has friends at school who have been to see 12a films and indeed we have let her watch certain 12 dvd's (hairspray, Star Wars Harry potter etc)

Am I being a prude?

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But I can think of worse lyrics in master if the house!

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Where do I start?

[BalthierBunansa]

My personal favourites are Sweeney Todd, Hair, Sunday in the Park with George, Cabaret and My Fair Lady

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All time favourite I think is Wicked or Matilda

Comedy has to be Legally Blonde

Fun night out Priscilla

Classic spine tinglers Les Mis & Miss Saigon

Old classics South Pacific, Sound of Music,

Really wish I'd seen 13.

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Ghost was good and done good songs but wouldn't necessarily see it again.

Lion king amazing staging

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And a little known Musicsl from which my username comes from is Her Benny.

[OhlimpPricks]

Apart from Les Mis, Billy Elliot, and the permanent production on of Starlight Express.
One of the worst has to be Viva Forever, currently playing. It's up there with Cliff Richard the musical for biggest pile of cak ever staged.

[ItsAFuckingVase]

Why would your vocal coach DH even need to know when the girls he coaches start their period? And more to the point, how would he know? I've always been open regards talking about my body and sex, but doubt it'd be a conversation I'd have with a male teacher.

And if you think your DD isn't already curious about her body and sex then you're frankly delusional.

[LadyBeagleBaublesandBells]

I think it sounds a bit yeew that your vocal coach dh feels he knows when young girls are starting their periods.
Why would he mention or think such a thing?
Surely that's not within the remit of his job?

[Alisvolatpropiis]

How can he tell? I am fascinated!

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I am as to OP considering whether prostitution is a suitable subject for her 11 year old dd; for whom she doesn't think puberty and sex ed is suitable.....

Yy skip the factual inevitable biology and facts and skip straight to sexual exploitation and abuse of women
You asked OP, whether the prostitution is suitable for your dd....whether it is or isn't is dependant on your dd. It is completely relevant to answering you, that you are with holding information from your dd

[OhlimpPricks]

I think it's an indication of your husbands experience and skill that he is able to detect the hormonal changes that are apparent in the voice. There is voice dessemination and detection software used worldwide by forensic professionals, but it is possible for those with sensitive hearing to detect minute changes.

[JessieMcJessie]

I love Oliver! Mary Poppins, My Fair Lady, Evita, Anything Goes, 42nd Street, Hello Dolly, anything with tap dancing in it ( tap dancing Klansmen in Jerry Springer the Opera was a highlight). I was very sceptical about Billy Elliot but it was fabulous. Agree Legally Blonde was terrific. Hate Phantom, Cats, Starlight Express, Sweeney Todd, was disappointed by Wicked after so much hype. Les Mis has always been in the meh middle ground for me tbh, I enjoyed the staging of it though, perhaps that's why the film didn't really do it for me.

[OhlimpPricks]

Where has the OP said he discusses young girls periods with them? Some of you seem intent on pulling the OP to pieces.
A vocal coach who can predict or judge whether a youngsters voice is likely to imminently lower, or change ( as many do, both girls and boys, with puberty).
For instance, some of the children cast in Les Mis were chosen 6-9 months ahead of filming. If one of them were likely to have a change in their voice, then a re-think is needed.
For instance, Isabelle Allen who plays young Cosette, will not have her angelic voice for a lot longer. Her voice is pure and childlike now, but will change in adolescence, and as we all now, that can happen from as young as 7/8/9...

[snowtunesgirl]

OP, I know your DH is a vocal coach but with regards puberty and periods and voice change, that's a load of shit. I got my periods when I was 10 and my voice didn't change til I was 13. That's when I went from being a soprano to mezzo and then later on when it all levelled out I found out I was a mezzo with dramatic belt so I can reach Queen of the Night aria notes but it's not where I'm most comfortable.

And what no Parade?

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It's relevant because girls going through puberty have to be careful. They often lose vocal range and develop a breathy quality. Breathiness can also be an indication the vocal folds arnt closing properly which can lead to damage. Then there is the issue of belting or not. In boys it's much more apparent and when a boys voice is breaking they are often more careful but the same things happen with girls

Of course he is much much more knowledgable than I am. At the moment he doesn't work with children much only post 16s. He works with students training for a career in Musical heatre.

[snowtunesgirl]

OP, you're dodging here. Vocal change is NOT a sign of impending menarche.

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Also you have to tembervtgatvehstvu day is just little bits I've picked up. There
May be bits where I have got the wrong end of the stick. Dh has studied intensively and the area is being researched further all the time.

[OhlimpPricks]

some reading material here for those of you 'fascinated' by the changes by that puberty ay have on the voice of a young child.

[Greythorne]

One of the oddest MN threads ever.

[snowtunesgirl]

OP, I think upthread you said you were going to talk to you DD a little bit later but didn't quantify it.

How long do you think you are going to be able to delay this and aren't you worried that someone is going to misinform her?

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Don't know why OP didn't just start a thread in chat to discuss Les Mis/ musicals etc etc in general....she absolutely does not want to discuss whether it is suitable for her dd

[Picturesinthefirelight]

Yes I did. It was others who diverted the conversation.

I received done advice from those who have seen the film (as opposed to me reading guidance from an American parents film website) which was very useful and affirmed my original position by drawing my attention to other aspects of the film.

I started off wanting to be told iwbu (i enjoy taking dd to things) and it would go over her head. It seems not.

[Cathycomehome]

I think you should do what you think best in terms of the film; you know your daughter.

In terms of sex ed, I'd personally have a chat with her. Before secondary. My ds1 is 12, August 28th birthday so in year 8. He knows A LOT more than I expected since starting secondary, and he knew the "mechanics" by year 6. I also have a five month old, and he was quite "Oh God. Yuk" when he found out I was pregnant!

[Drywhiteplease]

erica sod the prostitution,death,poverty, violence portrayed in the film.......there is NO WAY I'd take my 11yr old to see a film that shows sausages made from CATS!!!........nuts!

Seriously though I had an interesting chat at dinner with my 14yr old son and just 12yr old daughter about Aids/HIV and was shocked that they hadn't been told about how it is transmitted in their sex ed classes. Put them straight and there followed a fascinating conversation where thy listed all sorts of STDs, and told me that condoms make great balloons too!!!

Sex chats with you children should be factual, matter of fact and a little bit humorous, it's your duty as a parent to educate them about life and really it's not that embarrassing.