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A rant about cocaine

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Abitwobblynow · 21/12/2012 02:43

The subject of coke makes me see red and come over all old testament.

Do people who use this 'harmless, no big deal, I don't use it much' drug have any idea how it is made, and the impact THEIR PERSONAL BEHAVIOUR has on the countries where it comes from (and all the courier countries in between)?

I would like to wave a totalitarian wand and do a mass testing of the population. Then everyone who tests positive be chucked into a military transport plane and flown over to Latin America.

Then, be given wellington boots, a donkey, 4 huge sacks of coca leaves, a tarpaulin, a drum of diesel and a spade, and made to walk their spoiled selfish western arses up the slopes of the Andes to find a mountain stream.

Then, after climbing steadily uphill for a long time, to dig a swimming pool-shaped hole and line it with tarpauline. Then damn the stream. Then, pour in all the coca leaves and start treading, treading, treading with their already blistered soft feet.

then, pour in the diesel and tread some more. Feet will be raw by now. They will now be into several days of hell. Then, carefully undamn the stream and pour all that polluted shit water down the mountainside to contaminate all the environment below it, and harvest the tiny little bit of concentrate that has been panned into a carefully built corner, slightly lower than the others.

Then, to sell what they made to some murderous psychopath, for $200. Days of work and all that destruction, for $200. And not to worry about the 10000s of % profit mark up, because there is nothing they can do anyway.

Then, drag their exhausted fat asses down the mountainside, and go into the mortuaries of the towns. I think they should be given the task of sewing the heads of all the people who have been decapitated back on. And go on mortuary duty and collect the decomposed bodies and pick out with tweezers all the blow fly maggots, so the relatives can have some sort of body to work with in the funeral.

Then, go and talk to all the widows, the children who have lost their fathers, the widows of the journalists and government workers who were brave enough to stand up to the cartels who were gunned down and decapitated. They can reminisce whose head they sewed on!

Then, come back and tell the rest of us how snorting cocaine is 'no big deal' Angry.

And these are people who preach organic, meusli and Greenpeace shoving shit up their noses! Angry Angry Angry

You nasty, hateful, destructive HYPOCRITES! Look at yourselves and who you are hurting!

Cut and paste to anyone you know who is a 'casual user'

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TheSecondComing · 22/12/2012 09:21

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tsetohje · 22/12/2012 09:30

I think drugs should be legalised to try and break the cartels, mobs, purveyors of human misery. And to safeguard drug users with some decent quality control, and raise funds through taxation that could go into social services, the NHS, education.

I think the UK needs to look at itself in terms of recreation - why is binge drinking so popular, why do people feel the need to do 5 times the amount of drugs they actually need for a little buzz?

Mobile phones etc - the manufacture of these should be helping developing countries prosper and our govt ought to impose restrictions on the import& sale of unethical products and we should boycott them.

I am an ex heavy drinker/mild recreational drug user who is now rather sober and not keen on the whole thing having had friends die/disabled due to "rock n roll lifestyle".

My brothers life was ruined and ultimately ended by heroin. He started as a morphine addict after a serious accident. He did used to do a few pills before, they didn't hurt him. Two of my cousins are smack heads still, one of them is quite functional though.

I am wearing a cardigan.

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highlandbird · 22/12/2012 09:33

ha ha, loved the comment someone made about sending drug users to the remote scottish islands .....I've seen lots of drugs being taken on these islands, including Rhum and Mull, its not just a problem in cities you know!! some of the remote areas in the highlands have a large number of casual drug users (I know more here than when I lived in a city!)......who also buy fair trade etc etc etc! But I think it will always be difficult to get these people to face up to the harsh realities if they don't see it with their own eyes and experience it for themselves, there will always be some way of justifying it (or pushing to the back of their minds)
great post op.

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tsetohje · 22/12/2012 09:33

I meant to say in terms of uk impact I think methadone is most evil drug. Pharmaceutical companies would need regulating if legalisation came in cos they too are knobbets.

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gimmecakeandcandy · 22/12/2012 09:38

I don't think drugs are cool or fun and yes I have had experience of a few things and have know many many people who have taken drugs, including a best mate who became a herion addict and a close relative of mine died of a drug overdose.
I don't know what the answers are, I can see valid points in the call for legalising drugs as mentioned by TSC ( although TSC I do find 'some' of things you said and the was you said them slightly condescending...) but do I want to see drugs legalised? No, not really as I have seen the hell drugs can do. But, the arguments for legalising are interesting - although I doubt it would really stop the illegal trade of drugs, wouldn't they just try to compete with cheaper drugs? I don't know. I do taking drugs is one of the worst things someone can do as it is such a false, take me away feeling. The highs are not worth the consequences - any of them - from how they affect us to how they affect society. I agree with a lot of the op's sentiments too. In an ideal world there would be no stupid drugs out there but there is and we need to find an answer of how to deal with them :(

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exoticfruits · 22/12/2012 11:36

Tbh I think people are a bit odd if they've never at least tried a puff of weed even if they didn't inhale

I don't think they are in the least odd-I have never smoked so it holds no appeal at all.

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gimmecakeandcandy · 22/12/2012 12:49

There is nothing odd about not trying drugs - what a condescending thing to say! I'm not proud of having tried stuff - it was stupid!

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aroomofherown · 22/12/2012 12:52

Rather hateful OP.

However, if you want to hate users of products that are manufatured unethically and in ways that hurt others, do so. Just don't discriminate between products.

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abitcoldupnorth · 22/12/2012 13:23

Completely agree with OP. Would be fantastic to educate in schools.

and legalising is not a golden bullet but worth at least discussing, although I think those vulnerable to addiction would surely be left even more vulnerable by a legal and ready supply.

Those arguing that it's no worse than many legal trades are falling into the counsel of perfection trap - just because there are other 'bad' trades, it's no argument not to try to tackle the worst.

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CaHoHoHootz · 22/12/2012 13:49

Great post OP.
DRUGS = ORGANISED CRIME

ORGANISED CRIME = DRUGS


The drug trade is evil, really, really evil. Not just the coke, all types of drugs.

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Cokenamechange · 22/12/2012 14:07

OP, I thought your opening post was great, and completely agree. However, the follow-up posts make you sound more than a little deranged! You did warn us that you come over all old testament though, so nevermind :)

I am a recreational drug user, mainly weed (skunk, homegrown) and once or twice a year I'll have some coke or MDMA, but only at home with friends who are also doing it as I'm well aware of how much of a twat you can look to people who aren't doing it. However, a few months ago I watched a brilliant documentary about cocaine production (not the Bruce Parry one, this one was much more detailed) and have now decided that coke is off limits as I really can't have that on my conscience. I understand the arguments about ethical/unethical production of other stuff (choc etc), but I also believe that to make the world a better place you have to start somewhere.

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MrsKeithRichards · 22/12/2012 14:31

Humans have strived to alter their state of conciousness from the dawn of time

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ethelb · 22/12/2012 14:45

"Pharmaceutical companies would need regulating if legalisation came in cos they too are knobbets."

wtf?! Pharmaceutical industry are the most regulated industry in the world. When have you ever had a prescription and been handed over something else? It never happens!

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BelleDameSousMistletoe · 22/12/2012 15:02

I don't like cocaine or other drugs much (including alcohol although I am hypocritically nursing a hangover right now) BUT I think TSC is completely right about legalising.

I am dull. I have tried cocaine though. Just made me spout even more crap than usual.

For those who talk about not needing mind altering substances, this only holds water if you don't drink alcohol. Or smoke.

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BelleDameSousMistletoe · 22/12/2012 15:03

Or lick frogs.

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Wallison · 22/12/2012 15:07

^the problems it causes to society in places like Columbia

It's not quite a black and white or 'them and us' as that though. Cocaine is really cheap in Colombia, and a lot of people there take it. I mean, really a lot. It's just normal. They don't, mostly, get addicted or turn into raving druggies, but a bit of experimenting is perfectly normal there, because it's so freely available. The idea that Colombians are all hapless peasants producing the stuff for the greedy West is an inaccurate one.

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CaHoHoHootz · 22/12/2012 18:29

My extensive experience of Bolivia/Peru is that it is a case of hapless peasants producing drugs for greedy Westeners Confused

I've been to Colombia although not travelled around, it's a stunning country, and crime rates are (allegedly!) much better than they were but it is still a fucked up country. I can only imagine what a wonderful place it would be without the effects of the drug trade.

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strandednomore · 22/12/2012 18:41

I think a lot of the problems in Columbia have shifted to Mexico and Venezuela since the relative success of Plan Columbia. Ditto some of the problems Jamaica faced have moved to other Caribbean islands like St Lucia since some work was done there to tackle the criminal gangs. Unfortunately without a sustained effort, the gangs come back

I am so surprised by how many people on this thread have said they didn't "know" the impact of cocaine. I have not seen the Bruce Parry documentary and my knowledge is from living and working in countries impacted by the cocaine trade - but I thought most people understood the violence and destruction behind the trade. I guess education about the effect it has on innocent people it important.

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exoticfruits · 22/12/2012 19:28

I think that is a question that people don't want to know. It is much easier to say that there are plenty of coke users in Columbia and turn a blind eye to lack of clean water etc .

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tsetohje · 22/12/2012 19:43

I know pharma is regulated (work in medical research) but they are not very ethical IMO , that's what I was referring to.

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sockmuppet · 22/12/2012 19:52

It's Colombia btw Smile

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Abitwobblynow · 22/12/2012 20:05

"but I thought most people understood the violence and destruction behind the trade. I guess education about the effect it has on innocent people it important"

  • yeah, education of the good kick up the arse kind! Like, shoving their faces in a dead body caused directly by their 'lifestyle choice'!


It is staggering to me that people have posted here about their KNOWLEDGE of these countries and the impact, and it gets ignored in some stupid relativistic argument about chocolate, ipods and legalisation?
Send them over in a military plane, dropping their selfish thoughtless selves from around 200 feet Angry. Shielded, self-absorbed, ignorant immature twats. Never set foot in a messed up third world country but argue about whether it is a choice and harmless! Angry Angry
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BegoniaBampot · 22/12/2012 20:19

This is the results for the people in these countries

My friend and her family was also held up in their car a few weeks ago in Mexico by one of these cartels with AK47's. They put their foot down and were lucky to get away.

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TheSecondComing · 22/12/2012 20:31

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exoticfruits · 22/12/2012 22:05

Sorry,sockmuppet, I'm thinking of sportswear!

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