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Is this likely to happen? Benefit related.

637 replies

littlemisssarcastic · 20/12/2012 20:48

And where would it end?? Is this just the start of a slippery slope ?

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Dawndonna · 21/12/2012 17:02

Cards dont discriminate, if you truly need welfare help you wouldnt care what form it came in as long as it fed and clothed you.
Yes I would. All some of us have left is our dignity.

maisiejoe123 · 21/12/2012 17:02

Surely we have our own views and I am getting sick of people blaming the Mail. Just because we dont agree with you doesnt mean we are wrong and you are right...

We also just like you are experiencing life and have our own views - get over it that they dont match yours and stop blaming one newspaper!

maisiejoe123 · 21/12/2012 17:04

Why should jobs be created in a particular area just to suit you. If there arent an opportunites are you suggesting just to suit your lifestyle choice that they should be?

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:06

How does paying on a card make any difference to dignity? The money comes from exactly the same place Xmas Confused

I pay for all my shopping with a card, and no one seems to look at it except me.

tjah04 · 21/12/2012 17:06

Some of you need to realise that those of us who have views that sometimes oppose your own don't alway read the Daily Fucking Mail!

Spot on!

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 21/12/2012 17:06

What happens in a situation where someone has a contract BEFORE they get made redundant???
Contracts are CONTRACTS, you cannot just get out of them because you are now on benefits, unless of course u pay the whole term.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:08

Then you call the company and explain the circumstances and come to an arrangement.

If they insist on holding you to the contract, then you pay it until it comes to a natural end.

It's not rocket science!

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 21/12/2012 17:12

Thats bollocks princeoffred, i tried to stop my o2 contract, they wanted £400! Like people on benefits have that amount going spare.

It may sound like a good idea in theory-the card but where will it end.
So people on benefits shouldn't have a phone, or any luxuries however little, even bubblebath?
We didn't choose the situation

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells · 21/12/2012 17:13

There should be job creation in all areas surely Confused?

tjah04 · 21/12/2012 17:14

I am sorry but I have been at both sides of the coin. Earned over £30,000 then onto benefits overnight.

I cannot understand how anyone who goes from one to the other is able to continue living the same lifestyle.

If I needed to enter an IVA just to get out of contracts I would have done but thankfully it never went to that. All of my providers were very good.

JakeBullet · 21/12/2012 17:25

I find it hard when I read DM views being repeated in here to believe those repeating them when they say they "don't read the Daily fucking Mail".

And breaking contracts with companies is a nightmare.....have you ever tried it?

It's not rocket science but it's not easy either.

but a big fuck off to anyone who thinks I should break my phone contract. I need to be in contact if there are issues with my son ....and thanks but I'd rather have a contract and know my calls are covered When the contract ends I will explore the PAYG tariffs but until then I'll pay my £20 a month and be contactable if needed.

And as I worked for the past 30 years you can shove the right wing benefit scrounger views where the sun doesn't shine. I have contributed tax longer than some of you have lived.

Hiding thread and hoping life goes tits up for the smug bitches among this thread.....you know who you are Angry you might then learn some fucking humility but I doubt it.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:33

Yes, you smug bitches that know who you are! Get back to your Daily Mail!

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GrrrArghZzzzYaayforall8nights · 21/12/2012 17:35

When are MP's expenses going to be by card only? When is Parliament going to get rid of its' bar? I was sure that was stocked by the taxpayer and included Satellite TV.

Why is ethical spending only seen as an issue when poor people are involved? It seems like the poor are being considered morally bankrupt when doing things others can do without a blink of an eye.

The cheapest places to buy things - markets,carboots - don't take cards and most likely these new cards wouldn't work on eBay (one of the best lpaces to get kids' clothes on a budget). It would make cost of living far more expensive.

My local corner shop doesn't take card, it would involve an hours' walk or £4 by bus to town and back for something as simple as a pint of milk. It's just adding expenses - both in time and money. For those who can't travel it would simply mean doing without. Which many are already doing already.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 21/12/2012 17:41

MPs expenses are a huge issue and there has been a massive pubic backlash against them!

What makes you think they aren't an issue? Just about every one was horrified when they found out how much MPs could claim in expenses!

Tamoo · 21/12/2012 17:57

I'm not sure why there's an assumption that benefit claimants have such a massive dedicated fags and booze budget that it needs government regulation.

People who spend the majority of their household budget on alcohol are addicts and likely to have a host of personal and social problems requiring support and various types of intervention. They are also in the tiny minority. Unless someone is a parent of a child/children who have been assessed as being at risk due to issues of neglect I can't honestly see any point in such a scheme.

Most people on limited resources however do the same as the well off, in relative terms, ie they budget what they can afford for luxuries. I am on a very low wage (only a few pounds more than JSA, tbh) and maybe once a month I'll splash out on a bottle of cheapo wine. Like most people (including benefit claimants) I juggle as best I can. Last month I took myself out to the cinema. Why should benefit claimants be denied the right to make choices such as these when ultimately they make no difference to the taxpayer? The fact of being a benefit claimant has no direct correlation to what you spend that benefit money on.

FWIW speaking as a taxpayer I can't believe people get in such a state about whether unemployed Bob Jones has a Sky subscription when the money we give the state goes towards funding billions of pounds' worth of horrors like MPs' expenses, dodgy banking practices, and spurious public officials.

Darkesteyes · 21/12/2012 20:46

happydad02Fri 21-Dec-12 16:23:45

Whilst I dont think the government shouldnt be telling people how to spend their money, I see people on benefits with iphones on contracts, Sky TV etc and with both my DW and I both working fulltime and sacrificing things like Sky then why not. I think the governments plan at themoment is to only target people who are currently seeking help for drug/alchohol dependancy. If You want more control over your money then you should earn it im afraid.

happydad have you actually been inside their homes? Im asking because we got rid of our Sky TV in 2005 but the dish is still on the outside wall of our flat.

Dawndonna · 21/12/2012 21:03

I too pay by card. It's a card that comes with my bank account. It means I can use it whenever and wherever I choose. Those options are a) less likely to be available with a government issued card and b) more likely to be noted and noticed with a government issue card. I have had people call me, in public, a fucking scrounger when I've picked up my carer's allowance from the post office before now. It's quite a noticeable card and apparently many people know that the card is a 'benefits' card. So, the frequent comments about 'fucking scroungers holding up the queue' will continue, I'm sure. Unfortunately, it's the one benefit they won't put directly into my bank account.

IneedAsockamnesty · 21/12/2012 21:09

Dawndonna.

You need to get back in touch with them carers allowence as routine pays into a bank account,

Every single one of my clients who receive it have it paid into a bank account.

Sunnywithachanceofjinglebells · 21/12/2012 21:10

We have a Sky dish on our house and we haven't had it for years.

And no, we're not on benefits.

Darkesteyes · 21/12/2012 21:34

What i posted on another thread.

DarkesteyesMon 17-Dec-12 17:44:21

These ads are fucking shameful. Disgusting.
And the frightning thing is that some people DO believe them.
I am a carer too and i have a neighbour who makes snide comments every time i see her, usually in the supermarket.
Snide comments of hers i can remember. "IM working with the emphasis on the IM.
"Well in my case i have a job"
And the latest one. "Spending all your money then?" which was the latest one shouted across Tesco.
If im ever unlucky enough to be burgled i will be informing the police that she is a suspect because she seems to think that i have a lot more than i do.

Sunnywithachanceofjinglebells · 21/12/2012 22:22

Darkest, what a fucking bitch. :( Have you ever told her to fuck off to the far side of fuck and keep fucking off?

Sunnywithachanceofjinglebells · 21/12/2012 22:23

I meant (for clarity's sake) that she's a bitch - not you Darkest

IfNotNowThenWenceslas · 21/12/2012 22:24

Surely Ian Duncan Smith is being too soft on these scroungers?
Couldn't we remove all cash benefits altogether, and house them in purpose built institutions? They, and their numerous offspring could be fed, and they could work for their food.
That way the scrofulous wasters could feel useful and be standing on their own two feet.
The ones who refused to enter these institutions would have to rely on church charities to feed them.
After all, these poor people will only spend any money we give them on gin and dice games. Sorted.

Darkesteyes · 21/12/2012 22:26

Tis ok Sunny. i know you didnt mean me.Xmas Smile
Ive come pretty bloody close to telling her what i think. Maybe i should make that my New Years Resolution.
To stand up and be counted a bit more x

IfNotNowThenWenceslas · 21/12/2012 22:28

Only trouble is... we are heading for a depression, and there just arnt enough jobs to go round...more and more people will get made redundant...could we sell that idea to a population who are, mostly, 3 pay packets away from the dole queue ?? Well...maybe. People always like to think it won't happen to them. It's what the people in charge depend on.

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