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Is this likely to happen? Benefit related.

637 replies

littlemisssarcastic · 20/12/2012 20:48

And where would it end?? Is this just the start of a slippery slope ?

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gordyslovesheep · 20/12/2012 23:39

RE Jobs - I am under threat of redundancy - I m looking for alternatives ...I work in the public sector...in Youth services...there is fuck all out there - I have a post grad required for my job, I am good at my job - my job no longer exists

I would rather work than struggle on benefits - there is cock all out there for me right now

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 20/12/2012 23:40

Cameron hates everyone who isn't middle or high class and it shows.
It won't be long before the nhs disapears either.
Maggie the milk snatcher, cameron the hospital snatcher

GhostShip · 20/12/2012 23:41

BeataNoxPotter
I thought it was you who called me a 'niave little fool'. I was wrong. In sorry.

Glitterknickaz · 20/12/2012 23:42

And amongst that climate imagine the chances of employment of someone who has care responsibilities every hour outside of school hours (including overnight), then 2-3 daytime appointments a week during those school hours, plus their own fluctuating health conditions....

gordyslovesheep · 20/12/2012 23:42

It won't be long before the nhs disapears either and everyone who agreed with CB being cut or cuts in general should take responsibility for that - letting them cut things in a small way without resistance give them the balls to go further

MrsChristmasVamos · 20/12/2012 23:43

It amazes me that people still call benefit claimants 'scroungers'.

Everyone, who gets any sort of benefit, has to apply for it, and wait to hear if they will then receive assistance.

If the answer is yes, how is it scrounging ?

Also, if your benefits are reviewed by a Benefits Centre, it says on the letter you receive "We have reviewed your entitlement to benefits and have decided your entitlement remains the same.

I guess that's where being entitled comes from ? Because the majority of claimants actually are ?

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Heroine · 20/12/2012 23:46

Oh no, the conservatives hate people who are middle class too - if they don't have a job or connections they can exploit. What they are afraid of most is an empowered working, lower middle or middle class who know what their game is... its no surprise that they prefer an unconnected traditional society based on stereotypes because once the game is up that 'traditionally rich' does not equal ability or intelligence, they are finished as a class.

LadyBeagleBaublesandBells · 20/12/2012 23:47

Exactly TSC.
If there is a job then pay the minimum wage at least.
The huge corporate companies that are giving 'work experience' haha to the unemployed are being subsidised (sp) by the government for doing it.
They get their slave labour and profit out if it too.
If they need the staff (and they do, all supermarkets never have enough people on the tills) then employ more people.
Of course it will be on the crappy MW, and then more tax credits...
And it goes on and on and on...
Jeez, there really is no answer to this, it's a vicious circle.

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 20/12/2012 23:49

This goverment won't be happy until all of us under/working class are wiping our bums using sawdust.
They'll outlaw loo roll for most of us soon, oh well i best stock up....

RedToothbrush · 20/12/2012 23:50

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding Thu 20-Dec-12 23:20:42
To create a fair system, the minimum wage needs upping so that those who do work benefit from working.

Actually I disagree in that. In pushing the minimum wage up the effect tends to be more people on the bottom of the scale and less jobs all round because employers recruit fewer people in the first place. It also tends to push up prices too - and inflation negates the benefits of a higher minimum wage.

Its better to actually raise the threshold at which you start paying tax, to be more in line with the living wage line and adjust the tax bands above that accordingly as its then not employers, particularly big businesses who employ a lot of people at minimum wage, who are dictating what happens and passing on their costs and squeezing the bottom end rather than the top.

You want more people employed, not less. And you want them to be able to afford to live.

This is actually what the Lib Dems had in their manifesto and have pushed for and got. For all their failings in the coalition this is one damn good thing they have achieved. Sadly largely ignored, rather than given the praise it deserves regardless of your political persuasion.

Unfortunately, the tax threshold they are putting in over the next couple of years is only going to be raised to around £9k. But the living wage for a single person without children comes in at around £14k (the living wage for couples and people with children differs) which is a pretty big difference. So its easy to see the actual problem here. I don't think the threshold should go as high as living wages, but it needs to be closer to living wage on a household basis (rather than individual basis) than is currently the case.

WildWorld2004 · 20/12/2012 23:50

Dont get me started on the shambles workfare is.

nametakenagain · 20/12/2012 23:52

It's a distraction. Stop chipping away at the poor, and take some swathes off the rich. It's in everyone's interest.

higgle · 20/12/2012 23:53

Surely if you could only use your benefits to buy food and not drink and you wanted a drink or some cigarettes you would simply swap the food with someone for booze or fags? Stupid idea, the "exchange rate" would be sky high and children would suffer even more than they do now.

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PurpleCrutches · 20/12/2012 23:54

This government really does hate us, doesn't it?

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 20/12/2012 23:55

Yep 'purple' they doSad

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MrsChristmasVamos · 20/12/2012 23:56

And I still don't understand why people are shocked that DC and his ilk are carrying on like they are when he was actually proud to say in public that Margaret Thatcher was/is his hero.

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 20/12/2012 23:58

I never voted them in as i knew what thatcher did. Shame the majority of the uk didn't think before going down the balloting officeHmm

BeataNoxPotter · 21/12/2012 00:00

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Glitterknickaz · 21/12/2012 00:00

Bingo. I remembered Thatcher.

Mind you I also remember the Labour party's introduction of ATOS.

Who the deck do I vote for now?

RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 00:02

And I still don't understand why people are shocked that DC and his ilk are carrying on like they are when he was actually proud to say in public that Margaret Thatcher was/is his hero.

You mean like that unlike that Labour politician Gordon Brown, who was the alternative and quote:

said he "admires" the ex-Tory leader, who is a "conviction politician" like himself.

Sorry, but the Tory/Labour/LibDem bashing is pretty much, much of a muchness. Whoever we got was going to do similar things and if you are too blinkered and obsessed by team colours to see that, then thats part of the problem. Until we start challenging policy rather than behaving like football supporters we'll always have problems like this. Focus on the issues not the personalities/teams.

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pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 21/12/2012 00:03

A new party needs to be created as the current ones are all shit.
Green peace- tree swinging, paper toilet loons.
Conservative-Steal from the poor, give to the rich.
Labour-Throw money to anything that moves.
Bnp-Racist party.
Lib dems-Have no voice of their own idiots...