Is this likely to happen? Benefit related.

[littlemisssarcastic]

And where would it end?? Is this just the start of a slippery slope ?

Ghostship, I am curious. Should pet food be allowed on these cards? (Iyo) Lets say someone has worked all their life, they have a 10yr old dog. One day they are made redundant.

Surely a dog would be a luxury, I mean what is a benefit claimant doing with a £600 dog?? (Or however much they cost, I'm not a doggy person at all!). So what happens then? Does the dog have to go?

^SHOP GHOST SHIP! She has a partner who is earning NOT ALLOWED NOT ALLOWED
TELL THE BENEFIT!!!!^
I don't claim benefits, for the fourth time. I can't.

Oh the reason why it seems like 'its in the majority' is because the evil slimy messages that have gone out recently have allowed people claiming working tax credit and child benefit to view themselves as not benefit scrounging scum, whilst trousering thousands of pounds a year - what we are experiencing here is transferred self loathing ie hate those who are like what you hate about yourself

Until of course next year because during the year everybody will be encouraged to consider them feckless scrounging work shy scum because after oct they come under DWP universal credit regulations as the same as Jsa claimants.

ghostship do none of these scroungers you know get sanctioned,or ever get sent on workfare ect? If not please ask how,as I would very much like to help a client of mine who can't communicate how to get out of her sanction for not engaging effectively with DWP staff.

Aspie - be a dear and read my posts. I've already said that those who have worked and those who are disabled etc shouldn't be effected. Just those who have never worked and choose not to.

but so what if they have no intention of working - there are not enough jobs right now for everyone so we NEED people not to work

£71 a week is fuck all - pay them to stay poor - we need poor - it makes rich people feel better

This country is going to shit if a lot of us think this is feasible and/or a good idea. Thatcher would be proud.
F.F.S.

Why does work not pay Ghosty?

Because employers don't pay. ENOUGH.

Since 1970 wages in real terms have stagnated whilst the cost of living and corporate profits have spiralled ever upwards. The average CEO earned 15 times the average worker in the 1960's by the 2000, it was 500 x the take home of the average worker.

You don't claim them because you can't? So if you could you would?

Be a dear?! Ha! That's made me chuckle

socknicking no. Never. They go to the job centre, fill in a form giving names of websites they've used to apply and names of papers they've looked in - all lies - and that's that.

I don't know if its our local job centre that's a liability or...

for child care you can be entitled up to £122.50 for 1 child while jas is £71.

so why is it more economical for parents with young children to work, when staying home cliaming benefits saves to government £51.50

Oh Ghostship you poor naive little fool.

Its not about intention its about worth - if a company is too busy shovelling income up the management tree or overseas to shareholders and can't afford to pay more than the benefits then it isn't really offering anything to anybody.

If you want people to work you have to motivate them - not starve them - as banks know - to motivate people you need good wages, good management,good working conditions and clear planning and instruction. Sadly because we recruit management by class and not by ability we don't have 3 out of 4 of these in place, so if we also have shit wages, lower than the most basic handout designed just to keep you alive, then we don't have an economy.

I would never make a decision to work that left me worse off than scratching and scrimping but expected me to travel to work (£6 a day perhaps), pay for childcare (£18K a year) and be worse off than on 'the minimum the government has calculated you need to survive' WTAF are you on?!?

do you really think that only the people you choose will be affected ghostship?
really?
I suggest if you do. you actually have alook in the news topic.
you will see a thread there about a ill woman having her benefits cut.

^You don't claim them because you can't? So if you could you would?

Be a dear?! Ha! That's made me chuckle^
There was no 'because' it my post. I just said I can't. And no I wouldn't. I'm managing without them so why should I.

.....i can see where this heading
It may start with banning alchohol and cigarettes, but i'm guessing this will be the slippery slope to pave the way for treating those on benefits like scum.
What will they stop next?, the ability to by decent lemonade or only allowing you to buy Value clothing and foodstuffs..
I know something needs to be done to tackle wrong-uns, but this isn't it.
A druggy, alcholic or cigarette muncher will always find a way to get their fix, ie robbing & mugging etc

Oh poor Ghostship - she is merely jealous of the massive riches and dripping jewels of people who get money she can't .. poor her.

I would never make a decision to work that left me worse off than scratching and scrimping but expected me to travel to work (£6 a day perhaps), pay for childcare (£18K a year) and be worse off than on 'the minimum the government has calculated you need to survive' WTAF are you on?!?

Which is what is wrong with this country. I would probably be better off on benefits, but I am proud that I work. I am doing something instead of living on benefits. I'm paying my own way. If that makes me naive or a fool, so be it.

Ghost I had a friend who shared your views - until her business went bust - she was absolutely horrified by how much benefit she got - she had imagined riches and a 'lifestyle' ...she struggled to feed her kids

I hope to god you never ever have to find out the hard way what the reality is and I truly mean that

she might get less. as no children

GhostShip, it's affected, not effected.
Be a dear and don't try to patronise people who are struggling on benefits.
Happy your boyfriend helps you out though.
I know you are young and beautiful (from another thread) but shit happens.

Ghostship you must have missed the memo about disabled people being workshy whiners. Are you aware of the Atos elves ?

Ghosty, if you are indeed impoverished and yet you work, rather than attack those on benefits......join a union and take it up with your boss.