To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

[monkeyfarm]

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

You do know that the Poles will allow you to shop in their shops don't you, OP? They're not Pole only zones.

Don't suppose you'd want to eat that furrin muck though?

I wonder what the Spanish think when shops pop up along the Costas selling baked beans/PG Tips/Daddies Brown Sauce

I've struggled to order things in some parts of England because they can't understand my broad Scottish accent and I couldn't understand theirs. And have you ever heard a Welsh person try to take instructions down the phone from an Aberdonian? It's hilarious, promise.

Ha ha CiF
Home of the rational and enlightened!

thing is Cozy, MN is full of people who have shock horro, TRAVELLED and seen for themselves other countries, including those of the nationalities others are trying to denigrate on this thread

if it werent for such educated minds trying to educate other posters, I dread what our future society may become

relieved that so many here are shooting down the OP and other racist opinions there should be no place for such disguised racism in our society

Btw, there was a fantastic article in History Today last month about a new plan for teaching history to children, which is going to look at population change and movement from the Iron Age onwards - it looked amazing. The author ended by summing up where the powerful figures in the UK today come from (or, often, where their families come from) and it was fascinating: the Queen has German and Danish ancestry, her husband is Greek, the Mayor of London is a one-man melting pot with Turkish ancestry amongst other things, the deputy PM has a Spanish wife ... I forget all of them but she had masses of links showing how people we think of as part of 'British culture' are forming that culture by drawing on roots in other cultures too.

^ is an example of an integrated britain

''Cantspel
I don't agree, if multiculturalism unites then why do people come in to britain but want their own shops places of worship etc? I don't think that is what they want, I think they want the best of both worlds, to leave their own country and turns ours into a mini version of theirs but only with the bits that suit, what happened to when in Rome?'

What, like Mosques and stuff?

Are you serious? Do you think that everyone who attends a Mosque is a recent immigrant? There's been a Mosque in my city for around a 100 years, my friend who is white British converted to Islam: presumably they are entitled to a place of worship, may as well let immigrants attend then eh?

Op I disagree with you, I don't think your views are at all unusual, but personally I wholeheartedly disagree with you; I can trace my family back to the 1600s in Somerset and am a Christian so presumably in the category of desirable but immigration has brought benefits to my life, indeed a key reason for moving here was a wider cultural mix for my children to grow up with.

Jean- what an odd way to look at it! Apart from the fact I know little of (modern day) Japanese immigration- why would I?- I don;t think immigration should improve us or anything else: I also don;t necessarily think mass immigration on a long term basis is economically sustainable, but if it were then I'd be well up for it: it definitely enhances ,my life now in this city over the rural county I grew up in, and on a very basic basis the wider the genetic pool of a species then the better it's chances of survival long term. So on a purely pragmatic basis......

LMAo at boycott anything not British: we run an internet sales company and occasionally get calls from people who wish to do exactly that. They are, frankly, out of luck. NOTHING in our particular type of electronics is made without labour or at least components from outside the UK. The amusing if anecdotal case was the ex pat living in Europe who wanted only the best UK made equipment because of all this 'immigration crap'. Ooh the irony!

Take a leaf out of Australia's book, yep, pillage the Aboriginals and take over THEIR land.

Was it Griffin who went over to Australia to talk to the Australians about 'nationalism'.

Wonders will never cease.

REALLY offended by your username.

MonkeyFarm-how do you feel about the rash of pubs, shops, English churches, fish and chip shops and restaurants offering English breakfasts and purely English food in Spain that cater for the immi....whoops sorry expats.

The ghettoising of immigrants is not a new thing. When the Huguenots came over from France in the 16th and 17th centuries they all clustered together, same with the Jews, same with the Italians, the Irish etc. Each time there were complaints for twenty years or so and then there was intermarrying, building of businesses, socialising, population movement to get employment and the new immigrants became accepted. No-one still complains about Irish immigrants or the Italians now, but I bet some of our grandparents and great-grandparents did.

No CLEARLY from my post I didn't know the original meaning of the word cretin

Jeanvaljean (isn't that name a bit foreign?), what's with the reference to 'the West'? The USA, Britain, Spain, Poland, Estonia, Greece, and all those other states all lumped together under one lazy, catch-all term? Sounds like you're endorsing some form of multicultural homogenous sludge.

Didn't Marxism Today fold about 20 years ago? Do keep up, petal.

Sieglinde - I have no objection to Poles. In fact I think they're a rather heroic nation. I used them as an example, I could have said Somalis or Bangladeshis or English!

I've spoken to Polish people who cannot believe what we have allowed to happen in the UK. Who have told me "we would never have let this [massive immigration] happen in Poland". It's true that more and more countries are experiencing this but the scale in the UK is unprecedented, and not desirable.

Good point peachy.

Or, we could always do what we did in the twelfth century. York had a thriving Jewish population (as did other areas of the country) who had their own places of worship and even contributed to things like windows in the Minster.

Then the authorities decided to herd all the Jewish people, men, women and children, into Clifford's Tower then set it on fire.

So, we have a long British history of being intolerant bigots, too. And maybe the way to put this right is to learn from our fuck-ups and not let it happen again.

Grrrrr OP, the racist views on your thread are even more irritating than the ASDA advert

hahaha Belmo- tell me about it! Am in Wales now and my Somerset accent- well yes.

Highly recommend the little strawberry jaffa type cakes they sell in the Polish section of supermarkets, and their sesame snaps- gorgeous!

My degree is in World Religions, I used to work in the charitable sector with struggling families of whichever nationality and race came my way. I have yet to encounter any excuse to be racist. I grew up on a council estate in a deprived town, not found any excuses. Dad is one of 3 employees amongst many Eastern European workers in his factory (cleaning out the machines used to produce MRM products)- he hasn't found an excuse to be racist, only to buy a Polish- English dictionary. He's 70, if he can cope so can most of us.

Poor people will want to move to rich countries if there is a hope of a crust or two.

Rich people like to exploit poor countries (or of course rich if they can manage)

Most people tend to stick with what they know/knew and are comfortable with re language and culture (not all) and prefer to live in a community of similar people. Some of the worse offenders I know are the English in the Dordogne. (Go spend a Sunday in Riberac and listen to the screeching about cricket and sherry.)

Sorry, Laurie, i didn't realise that you had already mentioned this.

charlie - yes, it was clear! I hope I didn't offend you by saying it. As I say, it is a bugbear of mine but I am well aware many don't know the original meaning.

Peachy what you have posted was a reply by monkeyfarm to a post of mine please dont post making it look like i have made that comment

monkeyfarm Wed 12-Dec-12 12:12:46
Cantspel
I don't agree, if multiculturalism unites then why do people come in to britain but want their own shops places of worship etc? I don't think that is what they want, I think they want the best of both worlds, to leave their own country and turns ours into a mini version of theirs but only with the bits that suit, what happened to when in Rome?

Poland, ahem, doesn't get off lightly when accusations of racism are being thrown around. According to Polish friends I have who are delighted to see that they are welcome here (we would not be in similar numbers, he insists, especially if not white.)

China has bought most of Ethiopia to grow food for itself.

Poland is appalling (as are most of the Baltic states).

So is Austria.

Really? 15 minutes? I think that's bullshit. I don't talk to people when paying for my petrol. I go in, say "number x" and pay and leave. What took them 15 mins to explain?

That's exactly what I do when paying but this is sort of who it went:

Cashier: Morning, any fuel?
Customer: ...
Cashier: No fuel?
Customer: ...
Cashier: [points to fuel pumps] Any fuel? What pump are you on? Do you know how much you put in?
Customer: Said something
Cashier: Did you put any fuel in your car??
Customer:

Since the customer had no other goods it was assumed that they had fuel since they had qued up and presented the cashier with a card so the above carried on with the other shop assistant joining in to ask the same questions with more gesturing. Massive que of people complaining about being made late for work but had to continue waiting since they had to pay for fuel. Eventually a lorry driver came in and helped the customer out. I'd have been happy to wait since I'm not working today but ds needed a poo and wont go in public so was getting increasingly stressy making me quite stressed .

Poland has a long antisemtic and racist history but thats ok as they helped us during the war