To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

[monkeyfarm]

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

suggest Monkey boycotts using or consuming all imported products for a week

then kidnly gets back to us to let us know how she got on

was her daily life better or worse as a result? am sure Closer magazine or Bella would love to pay you for your story

OP YANBU, but you'll not find much support on MN which is some way to the left of Marxism Today. The support for massive immigration is a symptom of the Left's self hatred and actually anti British racism. The people on this thread are not pro-diversity for all - they would not for instance argue that Japan should be more multicultural because those Japanese are such inward looking Little Japanlanders aren't they? All on their high horses keeping their borders tight, how dare they! Japanese culture could really do with a few million Poles to spice it up and make it more "global" and "diverse".

No it's only the British/English who really need a good shake up with massive immigration to improve us. The end game of this globalisation is of course that we all become one homogenous sludge rather than diverse and vibrant. And in the West this dislocation, lack of common history and culture will just result in more Capitalist exploitation and the worship of consumerism. Awful.

All that said it is is no way the fault of immigrants who are only doing their best to obtain a brighter future for themselves and their families. It's our glorious leaders hand in hand with big business who are to blame.

I can't believe that in 2012 people still hold these views. It utterly disgusts me. Multicultural UK is not a new thing and is a massive benefit to a society. I used to teach at a very multicultural school and I learnt a huge amount about the beliefs, customs and lifestyle of different culltures. A great opportunity. The families brought skills to the area. Some owned successful restaurants, some were nurses, many ran successful businesses etc. All the children were wonderful, the British ones and the ones that came from Poland, China, Bangladesh, Lithuania and Germany.

Anyone who holds racist views needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. Does the colour of your skin make you any different or any better to anyone else? NO! Some people have clearly learnt nothing from World War 2. Think how many people died because a small minority thought a bland white, blonde race was the way forward.

I am appalled that people hold these views.

Wow. Just Wow

It is not a matter of having shops or places of worship. It is when you have areas which are over crowded with yet more people moving into them because that is seen as a muslim/polish/somali/or any other immigrant area.

Integration would mean moving into other areas and being part of the existing community rather than wanting to stay in their own.

I have worked and know a fair number of eastern europeans over the last few years and most do want to intergrate.

Think OP must be confused - is there such a thing as a "pure" English person? We are all mixed race read your history books (Romans, French, Vikings) all settled and intermarried.

morning thanks to language barriers and the eventual help of someone who spoke both languages

Really? 15 minutes? I think that's bullshit. I don't talk to people when paying for my petrol. I go in, say "number x" and pay and leave. What took them 15 mins to explain? .

jeanval, your post is embarrassing.

jeanvaljean Wed 12-Dec-12 12:18:32

"The people on this thread are not pro-diversity for all - they would not for instance argue that Japan should be more multicultural because those Japanese are such inward looking Little Japanlanders aren't they? All on their high horses keeping their borders tight, how dare they! Japanese culture could really do with a few million Poles to spice it up and make it more "global" and "diverse".

No it's only the British/English who really need a good shake up with massive immigration to improve us."

Another one to think that immigration is unique to Britain. Do these people never travel? Do they really imagine that the rest of Europe is ethnically homogenous?

embarrassed for JenVal

I don't think they do travel cory.

Monkeyfarm, on the subject of 'their own shops and places of worship', I don't understand you.

If people come to live here and follow a religion, are you suggesting that it would be better if they did not have the freedom to build places of worship? Or are you suggesting that it would be better if they stopped practising their religion altogether (and possibly converted to CoE, as it is the state religion)?

It isn't unreasonable, given that we have complete freedom in this country to follow whatever religion we like, that we are all - any of us - allowed to build temples, synagogues, churches in which to worship. Forbidding this (as well as being a violation of a human right) would radically change our country.

As for shops: if I move to a country and find they don't stock food I'm familiar with, AND I know there's a market for those brands, I might reasonably see a business opportunity there. Are immigrants to be prevented from starting businesses, even where there is a proven market for the goods?

This thread depresses me. Especially the ignorant reference to Australia (where it was still legal to shoot an Aboriginal person until around 1970).

I love Britain's multicultural society. Can't believe there are those that would deny others their own places of worship and shops (wtf's that all about? GO HOME, KEBAB SHOPS).

I'm not racist but some white British people don't know how lucky they are to live in a tolerant society.

Monkeyfarm - interesting that you say 'when in Rome'. I heard on the radio yesterday that the ancient Romans were the minority in Rome.

I don't agree, if multiculturalism unites then why do people come in to britain but want their own shops places of worship etc? I don't think that is what they want, I think they want the best of both worlds, to leave their own country and turns ours into a mini version of theirs but only with the bits that suit, what happened to when in Rome?

Does that mean I'm not allowed to have Christmas dinner on the 25th, pull a cracker, wear a silly hat, and set fire to the Christmas pudding seeing as none of these are normal in the country I live in? :(

"I would prefer an intergrated Britain"

And what would that be, exactly, cantspel? There's never been an integrated Britain - even if you excluded the immigrant populations of the last 200 years (and what sane person would want to do that?) you'd still have different nationalities and regions speaking dozens of different dialects or languages, remembering the good old days when they were trying to kill each other. My DM, who grew up in Lancashire, always regarded the populations of Yorkshire and Wales as peculiar and slightly suspect. So does DP's father, who comes from the same area.

Depressing thread. Still, at least it's reminded me to watch this again:

I think we're trying to reason with people who never travel, eat different foods, think expansivley, so in some ways this discussion could go on and on

sad to live such a self-limiting life really

jeanvaljean, have you read the Hugo novel, or is your name derived just from the musical travesty of it?

Actually, Japanese racialism has been critiqued often and by many liberals both here and on the Pacific rim. That said, perhaps it is wise to put our own house in order first, before helping other people do the same.

What exactly is your objection to Poles? Do you know about their help in WW2?

but people who wear imported clothes, made in foreign sweatshops but who religiously! want their weekend takeaway (delivered on time by someone who speaks perfect english and never has to delay proceedings by counting coins or trying to find the correct word -heaven forbid)

For those embarrassed for me (my how condescending and oh so typical) perhaps you'd like to point out what I said that you disagree with?

Australian Aborigines were classified as fauna until 1967.
'part of the indigenous flora and fauna'

the irony is not unnoticed here

Ooh, I am thrilled we're to the left of Marxism Today. I shall go tell DH his roots in Soviet Russia mean nothing to me, I'm the real leftie in the family.

What a pity I actually know some British history so also know jean is talking bollocks.

Btw, there was a fantastic article in History Today last month about a new plan for teaching history to children, which is going to look at population change and movement from the Iron Age onwards - it looked amazing. The author ended by summing up where the powerful figures in the UK today come from (or, often, where their families come from) and it was fascinating: the Queen has German and Danish ancestry, her husband is Greek, the Mayor of London is a one-man melting pot with Turkish ancestry amongst other things, the deputy PM has a Spanish wife ... I forget all of them but she had masses of links showing how people we think of as part of 'British culture' are forming that culture by drawing on roots in other cultures too.

Monkeyfarm - I think you'd better give up. Posters are trying to put words into your mouth. Mob mentality springs to mind.