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To not like this Idea of a new multicultural Britain

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monkeyfarm · 12/12/2012 10:55

I suspect this probably won't go down too well but I'm just being honest as I'm interested to see if I'm the only one who feels this way?
I hate how things are changing, how I can be in a store feel like I'm in eastern europe, why are we one of the only countries that do this? why can't we take a leaf out of the book of Australia and open our doors to people who have something to contribute and not just all and sundry?
Am I on my own in feeling this way?

OP posts:
FatherReboolaConundrum · 12/12/2012 13:12

For there to be a rational debate, both sides have to be able to advance rational arguments though, Fergus. If you find anyone able to enter into a rational debate about why they don't like those shifty foreigners coming here and making us all talk Polish and celebrate Eid, send them over here.

maillotjaune · 12/12/2012 13:14

That's right Dinky, all the poor people in the world have already poured into the rich countries. Every last one of them. Hmm

maddening · 12/12/2012 13:14

But Jean - all my time growing up in the wilds of Cheshire London has always been somewhere that was seen as multicultural - the UK's melting pot.

cory · 12/12/2012 13:14

DumSpiroSperHoHoHo Wed 12-Dec-12 12:50:51

"She thinks it's hilarious that whilst our government and local councils are getting their knickers in a twist about renaming Christmas 'Winter Festival', her neighbours are decking their houses with Christmas trees and fairly lights!"

Perhaps you could inform your friend that the winter festival story is exposed as an urban myth every year: it's one of the great British Christmas traditions.

Furoshika · 12/12/2012 13:15

Again I am probably missing something, but what is wrong with Winter Festival?! You're celebrating things (not just Christmas and not just religious things)...in Winter. Job done.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 12/12/2012 13:15

how depressing that racism is alive and well and so active on MN at the moment... seasons greetings to all. Xmas Sad

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:16

Bloody hell. I hope we don't all have to go back where we came from - it's going to be one hell of a commute, not to mention a little expensive in rent/mortgages, if I have to split my time between Latvia, the Isle of Man, Scotland, Northumberland and Cornwall. It's bad enough trying to get to Douglas from City Airport - I bet there are no direct flights from Riga.

I'm highly entertained by the "take a leaf out of Australia's book" idea, bearing in mind the fact that we took over an entire country to act as a dumping ground for the people we wanted rid of and massacred the bulk of its native population in the process. In fact, as a country, we don't have that great a record for keeping ourselves to ourselves, so it's probably a bit late to start getting all "Go monoculturalism!"

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:17

I'd love there to be a winter festival. I imagine it being all medieval and frost-fair-ish.

There would be sledges and chestnuts and rosy-cheeked children. It would be great

EIizaDay · 12/12/2012 13:17

Gosh some of the posters on this thread have been so utterly childish and rude towards the OP. What happened to love thy neighbour. You lot have no chance of loving immigrants when you can't treat your fellow *country people decently.

Disclaimer: we don't actually know where OP is from.

TalkinPeace2 · 12/12/2012 13:18

As a first generation economic migrant, I say BOO

Did you realise that a decent number of the people "born overseas" are Army kids?

LRDtheFeministDude · 12/12/2012 13:18

Ooh, me too, kungfu. I woke up this morning and the fog from last night had all frozen onto the trees so you get that lovely, crystalline frost that outlines everything in white. Gorgeous. I'll have that for winterval, please!

eliza - I'm damn good at loving immigrants, or so DH tells me.

seeker · 12/12/2012 13:19

Eliza- so we're supposed to love the racist that is the OP?

GrimmaTheNome · 12/12/2012 13:19

can we at least get past this frankly idiotic misconception that only 45% of people in London are white? IT'S NOT TRUE. It was all a misunderstanding by another charming, articulate, literate bigot on another thread.

Its 45% who are both white and british, isn't it?. So there will be more than 45% white and more than 45% british - this number is the intersection of two larger sets. It doesn't include Poles, Australians etc etc etc on the one hand or second, third ...nth generation non white. Furthermore it presumably doesn't include mixed race so it will exclude many descendents of 'white britons'. There really isn't much grist for the racist mill there.

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:20

I love my neighbours. All of them. They are lovely. But then again my neighbours don't tend to express bigoted, narrow-minded views.

cory · 12/12/2012 13:21

Somebody ought to do the figures: what exactly would it mean to the overcrowding situation if all the descendants of Brits were to come back from the US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc? Not that it would be practically possible, of course; there would be too many people split in half between different European countries, but perhaps some kind of deal could be done (x no of white Americans of mixed descent go to the UK for every X percent that go to Holland or Sweden).

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:22

LRD - we've got that down here too. It's the strongest frost I've ever seen. It almost looks like spring because all the tall, dead flowers at the side of the road are white again, just like when they are in bloom.

ClippedPhoenix · 12/12/2012 13:23

I have a problem with the sheer number to be honest. This doesn't make me a racist, being working class it does limit my chances in the jobs market, which is a fact.

TalkinPeace2 · 12/12/2012 13:23

cory
Indeed, parts of my family lived in Kent in the 1500's before heading abroad.
others were originally from Scotland, others Germany, some the Midlands.

Thing is, I don't look or sound like a foreigner (which is how I know that people who moan about it a racists).

Furoshika · 12/12/2012 13:23

kungfupanda, exactly. All snowy and trees bedecked in fairy lights and glühwein (are we allowed that cos it's foreign) and roaring fires and chestnuts roasting and hooray the days are getting longer at last.

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:23

Maybe there should just be an annual lottery - everyone in the world gets assigned a country to live in for the rest of the year.

[Hopes and prays for the Maldives]

TalkinPeace2 · 12/12/2012 13:24

Clippedphoenix
That may be your opinion, but it is NOT backed up by the data.

GrimmaTheNome · 12/12/2012 13:24

What happened to love thy neighbour

Its love thy neighbour as thyself... I'd guess many of us wouldn't love or respect ourselves too much if we realised we'd been racist.

extraterrestrial · 12/12/2012 13:24

I'm Polish and I totally understand the OP and do not consider her a racist
at all.
If she was insulting Polish people in general , then she would be. But
she is not - she is just feeling increasingly alienated in her own
country, as the make up of it has been dramatically changing in the last
few years. I would feel the same if this was happening in Poland,
sometimes it is very difficult to accept change.

I am not of the new influx of Polish immigration, came here in 1994 to
marry my husband. Always wanted to go back but couldn't due to
circumstances or not being brave enough to just do it ( would have meant
starting own business there ). Now it is too late, my children are
teenagers, going through GCSEs and A-levels,planning to go to
universities.

I love Britain as well, but still desperately miss Poland as always.
Find it hard to be an immigrant, hate having an accent, don't like to be
a Catholic in Britain due to very obvious prejudice and because the
church is so much better over there ( eg. so many young people involved,
plenty for them to do).

I am not a great fan of European Union .

My opinion of it:

Good points:

We can move to Poland ( at least in theory, because I can't really see
it ever happening) any time we want, find work, buy property without
major bureaucratic upheavals.

My mum can visit without being interrogated on the borders.

My sister now lives here with her family, we can socialize and support
each other often.

I can get Polish products easily from local shops.

There is a lot more Catholics over here now.

Bad points:

I observe lots and lots of heartache. Families split up. Older parents left in
Poland without the regular support of their adult children and
basically missing them badly, seeing their grandchildren maybe once a
year - this is on a massive scale and often involves more then one adult
child . This is a very real pain people are experiencing every day - I
know families like this personally and read about them.
My mum has three children, all have emigrated, I'm here, my sister is
here, my other sibling is in yet another country( careful not to give
too much info here, not to be outed , sorry).She is left in Poland with
an alcoholic husband.
I think about it every single day.

A lot of people come here and suffer badly from homesickness but can't
easily go back, ie. one partner wants to, the other doesn't. Children
often suffer in such circumstances ( rows and break ups).

I am utterly sick of having to defend Poland to British people when they
spout totally ignorant opinions about it and equally sick of having to
defend Britain when I go to Poland and hear ' Is it as horrible as they
say?Is the food really so bland? ' etc. as, yes, many go back with bad
opinions, often because they did live in grotty places and ate Tesco
value ( not that it's all that bad, I have just discovered I quite like the
chocolate ! ).

I mentioned I like being able to buy Polish products here, but at the
same time it makes going to Poland that tiny bit less exciting, I used to love
the excitement of the past travels there, the anticipation of the food I
missed.Or when mum used to bring over the things I missed. It is gone
now, I can buy virtually everything over here.

It is SOOOO monumentally bad for the enviroment. All these people moving
to and from. A lot more air travel. Coaches full of grandmas visiting .
We go by car and on Dutch and German motorways we pass hundreds upon hundreds of Polish lorries. Some of them will be bringing things like Polish tomato puree for Polish shops- why,I don't know, it tastes exactly the same as the British .
Politicians are such hypocrites ! Banging on and on about climate
change, banning lightbulbs and at the same time opening borders like
this. I will never get it...

Most Polish people that I come across are decent folk but there is a lot
of 'underclass' around as well and I am sick of being forced to hear
their prolific swearing of the worst kind in supermarkets and on the
street - I come across this constantly. They think because it's in Polish
they are free to be loud with it but forget there is a lot of other
Poles about, some with children.

I will shut up now , apologies I've taken so much space already.

I am with OP as long as she doesn't blame Polish people for coming over
and become prejudiced, most of us are nice really , want best for our
families and actually have very similar culture to the British one.
Blame the politicians ! They created this mess !

Last thing I will mention is that not all people escape some dire
financial circumstances in Poland. Some - yes, usually from small towns
with high unemployment. Some come because they have things in Poland but
want more, eg they own a flat but want to come here, work a few years,
go back and build a house ( pound still worth more over there).
Some come because they want to improve their English or simply to have
an adventure.

LRDtheFeministDude · 12/12/2012 13:25

Yes, exactly that kungfu. It's beautiful but spooky.

TandB · 12/12/2012 13:26

The thing about the level of immigration is that I'm pretty sure the population of western Europe is heading for a sharp decline based on current birthrates, and that a bit further down the line we might find that we actually need to encourage immigration.

Disclaimer: this was explained to me by DP after reading a complicated economics book and I was only half-listening.