to be shocked that less than half of people in London are white

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I was reading the article below and was shocked to see how much this country especially London has changed over the last ten years and feel concerned that immigration is too high for what is an already overcrowded island especially in the south east!

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/dec/11/census-2011-religion-race-education?intcmp=239

I do not think Mumsnet is at all representitive of the majority of mums in Britain. It is overwhelmingly middle-class and PC, probably by design so as to maximise ad revenue.

I do not think Mumsnet is at all representitive of the majority of mums in Britain. It is overwhelmingly middle-class and PC, probably by design so as to maximise ad revenue.

I am sure The Sun does alright for ad revenue .Maybe MNHQ wanted to set up a safe heaven for intelligent thought amongst the rabid Daily Mail lot?

Cozy I am far from middle classed.

jean I am from SE London and have family from and living in the East end of London.

What im surprised about in your first post was your claim that it wasn't like that 20 years ago?

I read this with interest as DP and I are considering moving to Denmark at the moment. If I do go,I will be one of "those" immigrants who might "take" a Danish persons job. But I'm white so presumably the people getting bent out of shape about the changing demographic (read:colour) of the London population would think it outrageous if I wasn't welcomed with open arms by Danish people!

Fuck off you daft cunt

Mmmm classy

Let's see if any of you loony liberals would be happy being the only white English family living in a road in Harlesden, North London, as mine were. Thankfully, we moved to north Norfolk. Lovely.

I saw some photos of the East End of London in 1953 at the coronation, a sea of 'White British' people waving flags.

In the same areas now you could walk down the street and not find a single white person.

Obviously this is not a skin colour issue but all the things that change along with that. I believe the old East End community was destroyed by the Labour Party, the quote attributed to Herbert Morrison was that they would 'build the Tories out of London', by destroying the old Victorian housing and building council estates, which are now in very many cases ridden by crime and worklessness (e.g., in Islington more than half of all children grow up in households where nobody work - and there's no shortage of jobs).

I'm actually quite surprised the statistics are that high too.

My children are mixed race and they are the ONLY non white people in our entire village. We have a few white South Africans and am American family but other than that I thinke verybody is white British. There are a few black, Asian and mixed race children in the school (I'm only talking around 25 children out of 450) but those are all either international boarders or children from our nearest city.

And I live less than an hour from London.

I know London is very multi cultural but I'm still surprised at the extent.

I don't think it's a good thing or a bad thing though. It just is.

There's nothing intelligent about just repeating everything Labour/the Guardian/BBC say and taking it as gospel. No-one has been able to give a proper answer as to why the current level of immigration is a good thing other than spouting off about "diversity". A bit more joined up thinking is in need here, such as thinking about how we can have an NHS and a welfare state while at the same time advocating millions of unskilled and semi-skilled migrants having the right to live here.

not as classy as the most wanted list is full of foreigners

'Fuck off you daft cunt'

Is probably my favourite MN post ever

Thankfully, we moved to north Norfolk.

right lovely, and do you have pity for the only black family there? Or have you not got one yet?

Doingit - how do you know I wasn't flashing my pasty white boobs at her? apart from the fact that they're not that perky

I could be slightly concerned about the possibility of a mass influx of people like the OP into the Northeast and Cumbria, where all but 2% of us are White British. What's keeping us safe, I suspect, is the predominance of ginger people and Northerners.

[chest bump at ourve]

Cozy, would you change your mind if you knew that virtually every study on the fiscal impact of immigration on the UK shows it is positive, i.e. immigrants substantially pay more tax and create more business and jobs than they take out in benefits?

Cozy, I'm not sure you actually know much about the Australian system and how it compares to the British one. Would have been much easier for my husband (then partner) to emigrate to Australia than it was for me to stay here (even though I was already resident on a work visa - I'm a higher rate taxpayer, so am I ok to stay as I'm not depressing wages and there wasn't a qualified British person for my job?)

I do chuckle at those who deride different opinions as 'people being so PC!' rather than just allowing, maybe, for the fact that people might have looked at the evidence and their own life experiences and come to a different conclusion. A challenge to the Daily Mail orthodoxy just must be PC, right?

stuffing

"Cozy, would you change your mind if you knew that virtually every study on the fiscal impact of immigration on the UK shows it is positive, i.e. immigrants substantially pay more tax and create more business and jobs than they take out in benefits? "
No, because that is utter bollocks! Seriously, do you really believe that?

In fact I seem to remember reading fairly recently that the opposite was true, and there was no financial benefit to immigration.

Cozy - can you clarify what you meant by 'indigenous' in one of your earlier posts?

A quick check on the legal definition of the term gives it as:
"The convention applies to members of a tribal population whose social and economic conditions are at a less advanced stage than other sections of the nation state and have their own customs and traditions. These tribal populations are people who are regarded as indigenous as they are the descendants of the original inhabitants of the region...at the time of conquest, or colonization..." and who live more in common with their historical traditions and tribal institutions, than with the institutions of the nation state to which they belong. (my emphasis)

Going on your posts I'm not sure that's the sense in which you're using it?

"Fuck off you daft cunt" is brilliant.

^ why the current level of immigration is a good thing

What is the current level of immigration? Nobody seems to know. They seem even less able to know what the current level of net migration (ie immigration minus emigration) is. Until there are any actual figures, it's not really worth talking about. If it's worth talking about at all, that is.

"I do chuckle at those who deride different opinions as 'people being so PC!' rather than just allowing, maybe, for the fact that people might have looked at the evidence and their own life experiences and come to a different conclusion. A challenge to the Daily Mail orthodoxy just must be PC, right? "
Why would people be opposed to immigration if their lives were the better for it? Or is what you are talking about people taking more notice of "evidence" than what they can see with their own eyes? Like it or not, the Daily Mail represents genuine public opinion far more than the Guardian etc do.

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if it's PC not to behave like an ignorant twat then count me in

I'm for controlling immigration, but some of the posts about aren't about that, it's about controlling colour.

tha Daily mail also supported Hitler ...just saying :)

Amber - it wasn't like it is now 20 years ago, no way. As I said in primary school it was about 15% ethnic minority now the entire school is Indian/Pakistani (this is Ilford). And obviously Eastern Europeans were exotic (!) at the time. Post-2005 the change was absolutely lightening fast. This is why I think people are in for a rude awakening outside London. It's all very well celebrating diversity but when you're sending your kid to a school with 90% English as 2nd language perhaps things won't seem so jolly.

I went to Manchester recently and could not believe how many English people there were in the city centre, actually speaking English! Shop workers / cafe staff who were English! It felt very strange. And I thought "Gosh, these people have no idea how quickly they will lose this".