to be shocked that less than half of people in London are white

[Ilovecoffeeandchocolate]

I was reading the article below and was shocked to see how much this country especially London has changed over the last ten years and feel concerned that immigration is too high for what is an already overcrowded island especially in the south east!

//www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/dec/11/census-2011-religion-race-education?intcmp=239

[AmberLeaf]

Amberleaf how bizarre you should call the OP a liar


Not bizarre at all, because I think she/he is a liar

If she is lying for the sake of this thread then she must have a crystal ball as she clearly says on this thread in March that she is of mixed race and you yourself are on that thread

She also said she doesn't see the problem with being called half cast, then went onto say something about some people seeing racism in everything, spoken like a true racist

Not everyone is what they make out to be on the internet, you can say you are whatever takes your fancy, it doesn't make it true. what people say often gives them away

Doingitonarooftopwithsanta is right, have a look at the OPs posts.

I stand by my opinion that she/he is full of it.

[catgirl1976geesealaying]

this report is really a must read....

[AuntLucyInTheNorthPole]

We love how multicultural London is. I even have a bee in my bonnet that my children's school doesn't employ enough non-Caucasian teachers (given how statistically unlikely it is in London that 95% of the best applicants are always white

[jjuice]

Doingitontheroofwithsanta I didn't say the OP wasn't being troll. I merely stated that it was bizarre to call the op a liar about her ethnicity when she has mentioned it months ago.
Amberleaf
Your Mum is not a black Jamaican OP.Stop lying.

Is not quite the same as saying you think she is not telling the truth.

I also find your evidence to back this up bizarre, because she doesn't have a problem with being called half caste she must be a racist...I better go and tell my mate who when I asked him a few years ago what was the correct way to describe his ethnicity and he said quarter caste- bet he doesn't realise how many white people he is offending!

Quite a few people on here have tried to have a sensible debate about the report and have just been bashed down as racists...almost every single one of them. (there are some twatish comments too but not all of them are racist. No wonder nobody dares to talk about anything that might remotely be construed as racist)

hides under table and waits for the shout of racist! well I MUST be- I mentioned a mixed race friend and you only do this when you are proving how you aren't a racist. FFFFS

[AmberLeaf]

jjuice

I think the OP is not who they claim to be.

That is all.

Ive read the OPs posts before and I think it is clear that they have an agenda.

[jjuice]

maybe I am just very naive I just read on another thread that people thought that the Zeebrugge poster was a troll...I thoroughly believed and cried over the story. I tend to just take people as they are. That's probably why I get shit on all the time

[Spero]

MrsdeVere - I don't know where you live. I lived in Brixton. I am glad I moved out, for my daughter's sake. We were half a mile away from the Stockwell newsagent where the little girl was shot and paralysed.

Yes, London is fantastic and vibrant and buzzing. But there is also a pretty big downside in terms of crime and violence. And it is difficult to insulate yourself from that unless you are wealthy and can afford to live in an area that reflects that. I think it is naive to claim otherwise.

[Spero]

I don't expect you to feel the same as me. But when you responded with incredulity to one poster about what was NOT wonderful about London, I gave my view. London is not wonderful in many ways.

You can't expect everyone to think the same way as you either.

This thread I thought was about people's views about immigration, the good and the bad. I don't see I have strayed that far off topic, but if you don't find my contribution useful you are welcome to ignore it.

[Cozy9]

MrsDeVere, have you ever lived outside of London? What do you like about London that you wouldn't have elsewhere in Britain?

[AmberLeaf]

Ive lived outside London.

I don't feel my family is accepted outside of London. In London people can just be that is one of the reasons why I love my hometown and will never leave other than to go on holiday.



jjuice, oh god yes, the Zebrugge one was deffo a troll/faker.

[Pantofino]

What doe that have to do with anything? I grew up in South East Kent, which 30 years ago had NO ethic minorities beyond the Indian or Chinese restaurant. And 20 years ago had a HUGE influx of Eastern Europeans who then were blamed for everything and every crime going, whether it was them or not.

Now I am an EU immigrant myself. My dd is at school - a local state school - with a huge range of children from different backgrounds and countries. It reflects the place where she lives and the time in which she lives. It is totally different from my school experience which was nice white C of E stuff. Even I get to learn and grow. Like not to just give Haribo on birthdays,....

[Spero]

Mrsdevere - you seemed amazed tha someone could find London anything other than amazing. That annoyed me has I have plenty of reasons as to why it wasn't amazing.

But nice to see your suggestion that this makes me a closet racist. I have no idea the colour of the people who broke into my car as I didn't see them. But the group of workmen who helped me get the broken glass off my daughters car seat were a mix of black and white and I was very grateful to them all.

Yes the crack dealers seemed to be mostly black and their clients mostly white men in suits.

What I see with my eyes does not make me racist. It is the interpretations I put on what I see.

I am pissed off that allegations of racism appear to be made to shut down other people's arguments.

[Mimishimi]

YABU to be shocked. It's not like it's a particularly sudden development. It's just now in the face of those who cheered it on and they hope that those pushed out by it come back to save the day ;)

[NumericalMum]

I live in quite a "dodgy" part of SE London. I have never seen the sort of things being referred to here? My neighbours come from all ethnic backgrounds and cultures. I have had my car burgled and house burgled, both times living in a naice part of town!

On the train today from SE London almost the entire train carriage was white! How does that work OP?

[Spero]

Sorry MrsDev, I thought the insinuation in your post was quite clear - only a racist would bring up fear of crime in London in a thread that talked about colours of skin. If I got the wrong end of the stick, I am sorry and glad you are not accusing me of racism.

But I haven't noticed much hysteria on this thread.

Like I say, I loved London and was heartbroken to leave. I spent nearly all my adult life there from college when i was 19. But it doesn't make me racist or hysterical to say I wouldn't go back unless I could afford to house myself and my daughter somewhere where she didn't have to witness drug deals and people falling over drunk on the way to school.

Not do I think I am racist to say I am worried about the implications of large groups of people living parallel lives to each other, with no or very little integration and huge differences in terms of for eg attitudes to woman. And that is the downside to the mass influx of people that certainly London has seen in last decade. It is nothing like the Jews or the Hugenots. This is global movement on an unprecedented scale and I think our politicians have mostly sleep walked into a potentially dangerous situation.

If you don't age with me, fine. But if you want to explain why I am wrong, you will get no where simply calling me a racist - I will just think you a fool. And that is a general 'you' not directed at anyone in particular.

[Spero]

Sorry, I thought I had made it very clear I was responding to your particular comment that you could see nothing that wasn't amazing about London. I simply set out a number of things that are far from amazing. One was crime, the other was the insane overcrowding in public transport. It was probably the latter that had most impact on driving me out - crime happened every now and then but the sheer hell of tubes and buses was every working day and it was making me very unhappy.

I am glad you don't go in for insinuations, but I am rather struck by your last point which reads to me as if you are suggesting I am one of the Clacton refugees! I have moved to another city - Bristol - which still retains some diversity and buzz but let's me live in a house only a mile from the main station and my office. I could never dreamed of achieving that in London.

So I just don't accept that all those who 'bang on' about integration are doing it behind their net curtains in all white areas.

[EldritchCleavage]

Disclaimer: the following comment is not aimed at any particular poster:

What I find interesting is how people talk about integration nowadays. It has become a stick to beat many immigrants with-you don't want to integrate. Yet when post-war immigration started, 'integration' was precisely what many many white people objected to. They were horrified at the idea of integration and determined not to do it. A lot of the separateness people now find so threatening has developed from that time. How is it that white racism has disappeared as a factor when people discuss integration, and only immigrant intransigence is mentioned?

[Spero]

I can only speak from my experience of seeing people massively disadvantaged and cut off because they can't speak English. In family cases,i have represented many wives (and some husbands) who have come over from Indian or Pakistan to marry people in UK. When marriage breaks down they are even more isolated and vulnerable. People struggle in court, interpreters either don't turn up or are rubbish, cases can't proceed.

I thnk that all who wish to settle here should have some degree of competencein speaking English, this should be the expectation. I really strongly disagree this is paternalistic or patronising.

[SantasBigBaubles]