to be shocked that less than half of people in London are white

[Ilovecoffeeandchocolate]

I was reading the article below and was shocked to see how much this country especially London has changed over the last ten years and feel concerned that immigration is too high for what is an already overcrowded island especially in the south east!

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/dec/11/census-2011-religion-race-education?intcmp=239

cat - I am going to save that link for use in suitable threads!
gordy - with your NN - I hope you're not being 'caprist' as well as 'colourist' with that comment...

I've got really into UK Goats now

They are more expensive than I would have thought!

Is it lazy to call the OP racist? Confusing 'non white British' with 'immigrant' is fucking ignorant....

Not at all ...just saying, you know, it's shocking if goats start to out number indigenous British sheep ... we are way cuter

Joan - thanks for responding. Out of interest though, what additional measures would you propose to resolve the issue for those with UK citizenship?

I agree it is possible to help some people change, but, the problem is, they have to want to and unfortunately those that don't want to change are far higher in number than those that do.

Goats have been roaming Britain for 100,000 years. They have probably got a better UK pedigree than Cozy :)

I have got to come off the goat site

look

gordy - and office based too!

These sites are amazing

I'm going to get full membership of one. Imagine the newsletter

Ahhhhhh those sheep are super cute actually

"I could not just go and live in the USA or Australia as i would need to meet much stricter criteria. "

Would you? Assuming you were a non-EU immigrant, do you actually know enough about the immigration rules to compare how hard it would be? Is it really much harder for a Brit to go to the US than for an American to come here (I'll leave Aussies on one side as I suspect the Commonwealth may complicate it a bit).

What population level do you feel this country could sustain?

When there are not enough school places or housing we ned to be very concerned, we need to stricter and have a proper debate rather than just accusing everyone of being racist!

This site does seem to be very one sided it makes the Guardian or DM look balanced.

Ilovecoffeeandchocoalte what is the issue with British no white people? Just out of interest

We are already far beyond sustainable levels. The ideal population IMO would be about 3 million. Obviously that isn't feasible at the moment.

no issue with British non white people as I am and so are my children

Cozy and Ilove, do you have sources or reasoning for your preferred population levels?

One of Britain's big issues, compared with continental Europe, is that even many city-dwellers are obsessed with living in a 'house' with a garden etc, and living in a flat tends to be sneered at as second-rate. Which means the flats that are but tend to be small and second-rate, perpetuating the cycle, and placing ever more pressure on land and urban infrastructure. Take a look at urban residential accommodation in most major European cities and it's a much more sensible approach.

The actual population density figures in the Census are enlightening, particularly when you take out the London effect.

I quite like that I live in a fairly mixed area. I'd be fairly hypocritical if I had a problem with immigration as I have lived outside the UK before and plan to do so again in the future.

Its quite sad to see where I grew up having one of the highest levels of people with no qualifications in the country though. It doesn't really surprise me but it's sad to have it confirmed.

so why the 'shock' and 'concern' about less than 50% of London being WHITE ?

I am confused - if you have no issue with non white people why are you so concerned?

cozy - 3 million? - for the entire UK? Are you thinking we should go back to being nomadic farmers with no access to modern food creation methods and will therefore require hundreds of thousands of acres each in order to sustain ourselves?

(Actually, don't know why I'm asking as you haven't deigned to reply to any of my other questions on the thread either...)

I am white british - but I live in Brussels where 25% of the population is non Belgian/white/whatever...I love that my dd goes to a school that reflects the community and city in which she is growing up.

Where SHE is an immigrant alongside those from Romania, Poland, Congo, France, Czech Republic etc etc

We're all people though aren't we?
If you said over 50% of people in London are elephants I'd have been shocked.
I couldn't care less. Really. Why does it matter? What does it mean?

Ha ha 3m people to live in the UK? That's everyone out since the Conquest then is it?

The current government's knee-jerk response to 'too many immigrants' views (in the Daily Mail etc, but also illustrated on this thread) has been to tighten up the laws on family migration.

Rules changed in July, and now if you earn less than £18.6k, you have no right to a family life with a non-EU spouse in this country. See MN thread here: AIBU to believe that breaking up this family is unjustified.

The video in the first post is heartbreaking and shows just how inhumane the rules are. I very much hope that the law will be challenged under human rights legislation, as it seems absolutely unjustifiable.

I have several family members who may be affected in future - living overseas, married (for years, or nearly two decades in one case), with children, but if they ever want to return to live in the UK, unless they immediately have a job paying well over minimum wage, they won't be able to bring their partners with them. Even if their non-British partners could easily find work (it all depends on the British partner's income), even if they have family support, even if they own property here... Crazy.