to feel even less sympathy for the Australian DJs after watching their interview?

[miamibeach]

Especially the guy.

The woman said she hopes the public respect the privacy of the nurses family.

Shame she didn't show the same respect of Kate's privacy.

she wasn't bullied though

I didn't say she was.

I am saying that amber has said the only person to blame for this women killing herself is the woman. And that had it not been this 'prank' that something else would have pushed her to kill herself.

So the question still stands. Does a bully hold no responsibility when their victim kills themselves? Because the victim would have done it over something else anyway.

But Amber if the child being bullied hadn't been bullied they wouldn't be so desperate to take their life.
There would be no reason.

Of course a bully has some part in it. For every action there is a reaction.

but if they kill themselves they deserve it according to some here so thats all ok

Can you point put where someone has said that because I can't find it.

Brady are you deliberately misquoting me or just not reading properly?

I am saying that amber has said the only person to blame for this women killing herself is the woman

Absolutely yes.

And that had it not been this 'prank' that something else would have pushed her to kill herself

You know that is not what I said, I was replying to something Everlong said, it was her that mentioned 'pushing her to kill herself' not me.

Can you point put where someone has said that because I can't find it

You at 10:53am

Everlong, lots of people are bullied, some horribly.

Not all of them or anything even close to all of them kill themselves because of it.

So yes I disagree that the bullying is what causes them to end their life.

the people to blame for this, imo, are the Royal handlers. they of ALL staff members know what happens when a royal goes into an 'ordinary' arena. they should have been briefing every receptionist, every porter, every janitor, every security guard etc etc. all calls should have been routed through them, and tbh if this poor woman had been told that and just fucked it up, then she will have been in line for a bollocking.

however, if she hadn't been told, then the fact that she was left exposed to public ridicule is entirely the Palace's fault, yet no blame has been laid at their door. i'm baffled, tbh.

So the question still stands. Does a bully hold no responsibility when their victim kills themselves? Because the victim would have done it over something else anyway.

Think it depends in part on proportionateness (is that a word?). If someone was maliciously bullied very badly for a length of time, I'd feel the bully was morally accountable (partly, perhaps not wholly) for the person's death.

If you are talking about a single solitary episode consisting of a stupid, puerile prank rather than deliberate prolonged acts of bullying, if the victim's reaction to that single event seems extreme or disproportionate, I'd be less likely to ascribe responsibility to the prankster/bully. That's speaking in general terms and no necessarily about this particular case.

We will have to disagree on that one then Amber

A member of my family [A] killed himself.

Another member of my family [B] was meant to spend the weekend with him but couldn't due to unforeseen work commitments.

[B] agonised for years [and probably still does TBH] that had he spent that weekend with him, he wouldn't have taken his life.

[B] knew of course that [A] did have some MH problems and had been depressed on and off for years.

It was entirely [A]s choice to take his life and if he hadn't have done it that weekend then maybe it would have been the following weekend.

Blaming people for the decision of another to take their own life is wrong.

[A] was unwell when he choice to end his life, that is why he took his own life.

Blaming someone for a suicide goes against just about every single sensible bit of advice out there, be it [professional or anecdotal.

They are not to blame.

*chose not choice.

Outside influences can and do have an effect on people in many situations.

Suicide is no difference.

Of course nobody but Jacintha made that final decision. But what got her to be in that place to make it?

As aitch said the palace ( and the hospital ) should have had more guidelines down to the protocol regarding royal members but the main fault is with the radio station/dj's for pulling the prank in the first place.

I just watched it and the man looks like he's acting! Very neighbours-esque with the breathing in and fighting back tears. I wouldn't be surprised if he's picked up by an Australian soap for a role soon. The woman looks genuinely upset.

Does anyone remember Prince Charles making some joke to the press along the lines of "how do you know I am not from a radio station?" then having a chuckle? This of course was before the woman died but it demonstrates that even the royals took it (at that time) quite lightheartedly.

I can't understand why some are describing the DJ's behaviour as bullying.

Silly, yes, childish yes, but it couldn't be described as bullying.

I hate practical jokes, but I do feel it is unfair to blame those DJs for her death. As has already been said, the nurse must have had some sort of mental health issues which drove her to this tragedy, over such a minor incident.

Who said they were bullies?

I thought the bully inference was a comparison.

Of course nobody but Jacintha made that final decision. But what got her to be in that place to make it?

Nobody knows.

Which is why no one should be aportioning blame for her death.

We can all think what we like though, can't we Amber?

Oh yes Everlong

Good woman

Oh for goodness sakes, not this again:

' As has already been said, the nurse must have had some sort of mental health issues which drove her to this tragedy, over such a minor incident.'
SusannahL

Are you a mental health expert with a specialist interest in suicide? Are you a personal friend or the personal physician of this lady?

I guess not or you wouldn't have called being caught in the middle of a serious breach of confidence involving the Royal family and possibly the most frequently photographed and talked about woman in the world, being mentioned in every newspaper across the world plus no doubt getting into very serious trouble with your employers, with the strong possibility of shortly loosing your job and thereby letting your own children down and bringing shame on your family (her perception not fact), 'minor'.

Thank you jane
I find this uninformed speculation about the deceased person's health absolutely sickening.

So do I Sally. Can you tell?

now here's an original thought - why not wait for the inquest?

Meant breach of confidentiality in the first post obviously not confidence! Must proof read.

Why on earth do some regard any reference on here to her probable fragile mental state as some sort of insult? We are all trying to mke sense of what she did, and surely no-one can disagree that suicide was an extreme reaction to what was, despite what anyone says, a minor incident.

The hospital clearly stated that she was not reprimanded at all, and Buckingham palace have also confirmed that no complaint was issued from them.

what was, despite what anyone says, a minor incident.

Gosh! So your judgment is correct despite what anyone says.