To not want my DC to participate in nativity?

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I asked school to excuse DC from nativity (due to religious reasons - we do not depict jesus/mary/joseph.) They were absolutely fine with it. Happened to mention this to work colleagues - and they basically told me that I wasn't willing to integrate!

I was a bit shocked that they saw it like this despite the fact that I explained why. I didn't realise that this decision was perceived as a lack of willingness to integrate - in a country which I have been born and brought up in.

I had to bite my tongue for the sake of peace!

So...MN jury... AIBU to exclude DC from nativity for religious reasons (note: DC is not excluded from other christmas activities at school). Am I just not integrating well into the society that I was born and brought up in?

TIA

(please be gentle)

So because I don't agree with you, Im wrong? Now who is intolerant.

your opinions are valid to some but not all we dont have to agree with you and we didn't your point is still valid to people who think like you do,

Oh Christ thebody , that winterval thing is a load of bollocks, google it and it's the first thing that comes it.

It's one of those things that's become a by-word for bashing people who don't agree with racism.

When did I ask anyone to agree with me!

BIRMINGHAM CITY COUNCIL NEVER changed the festivities to Winterval so as not to offend Muslims - what a croc of shit - they changed it to make it A) culturally accessible to ALL council tax payers (Jewish, Muslim, JW, Atheist etc) and B) to make more money out of it by stretching it into January

Many faiths have winter festivals - Winterval included all of them

Father CHRISTMAS featured quite heavily :)

Blackberry do you think it's possible you ARE actually wrong? or are you the Pope and therefore infallible

It's the Muslims, they're trying to ban Christmas, every time they see a Christmas tree, they pull it to the ground and stand on it because Muslims hate Christmas so.

You haven't asked anyone to agree with you, but you seem to be taking very badly to anyone who is telling you that your views are coming across as rather bigoted.

I don't think the OP is BU to not want her DC to join in the Nativity. My own parents CHRISTIAN church will not depict the nativity, and would never have a nativity set on display due to the belief that you shouldn't make an image of God/ Jesus. The OP is entitled to her own opinion and it hardly counts as "not integrating" imnot soho . It would be nice of teh school could find something that her DC and the other children who will not be participating could get involved in, at teh same time that the nativity is being rehearsed and performed. Whether it was connected, such as lighting, costume making, or something totally different, so they don't feel left out.

Don't forget us atheists as well, FromEsme. We hate Christmas . Those Jews too, none of them have ever come to my Christmas party I'm lying, four did last year.

you didn't ask but you seemed a bit offended when you thought you couldn't have an opinion well you can have an opinion but people are allowed to tell you that it is a load of rubbish

Re tolerance, you know how at the school gates you get bunches of people where the same people always talk to each other/go for coffee together/have playdates? Well, when my son started school pretty much all of the white people ignored me because I was a single parent. I know that this was the reason. The people who returned my smiles and greetings and who made an effort to include me in their conversations were the Muslim mothers - probably because I was, like them, an 'outsider'. As the years have gone by and our children are growing up together, I am now proud to count them as proper friends, and they have never ever judged me, even though I know that how I live is completely contrary to their own beliefs and customs. I have heard first-hand from my friends how they have been treated in this country - their children being spat on and told to 'fuck off back home' while out playing in the street, the mothers themselves having their head-coverings pulled off in busy shopping areas and being lambasted by complete strangers about halal meat or whatever 'outrage' some local rent-a-gob has got their racist knickers in a twist about. One of my friends even had her garage fire-bombed.

The white parents do talk to me now, but I don't count them as friends in the same way - why would I, when I already now have a close circle of mothers who showed me kindness and took me under their wing when I needed it? So you can shove your comments about tolerance up your arse - my friends are tolerant, much more so than the other parents at that school, and they are tolerant even in the face of outright hostility and criminal behaviour from the people around them.

That's what I am saying.. It became general gossip here in Birmingham that it was changed so as to ' not offend Muslims' and that muslims had 'demanded this' just wasn't true

That's how misinformation and racism is spread.

I actually do hate Christmas and do nothing to celebrate it.

Am I not integrating properly either?

Lovely post wallison if sad.

FromEsme Scrooge Grinch Santa-hater

I get you TheBody - I love it when people claim 'The Muslims' are 'STOPPING' them celebrating Christmas - unless they are blockading churches I think that's piffle

Can't you just see the Nativity as a story, just like any other one? Would you exclude them from a Diwali activity or a Hanukkah one if the school was getting involved. It doesn't mean you have to believe the story in order to take part.

Indeed it's just bl

Bloody daft( daft I phone)

Lovely post wallison if sad.

yes it is a sad read but you have lovely friends wallisnon

oh playschool read the thread

Can't you just see the Nativity as a story,

but she can't do that her faith says she cant take part in anything that depicts ( is that the right word) prophets and in islam mary and joseph and jesus are prophets it would be like celebrating a false idol ' or something'

PorkScratching - no reason for you to exclude your kids from a Diwali play, because unlike the OP you do not find it blasphemous to depict the prophets in art or by actors.

How can anyone have a discussion in which views are exchanged and people learn from each other if no-one reads the thread and the actual reason the OP wants to withdraw her kids?