to really not give a stuff about a turkeys quality of life!

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It scares me that people with absolutely no empathy are allowed to work with children.

Yawn...been done...
Yabu and you know it.

It's ok I don't eat children
Maybe it's not true to say I don't care at all, but it is a long long long way down my list of concerns.

YABU

Why would you not be concerned about another sentient being suffering pain?

Unless..........well.......

Well, it's not really going to have much of an impact on the welfare of the average turkey whether you give a stuff or not, OP.

Unless you are head of a steering group examining the welfare of farmed turkeys.

How far do you extend that op?
How bad can the turkey's life get in your opinion?

Ah
now cross post.

Each to their own I suppose, but I am at the opposite end of the spectrum to you and personally hope your Christmas is filled with soggy sprouts and unwanted presents of bath salts.

Yabu and you sound like someone looking for a bun fight.

I hope turkey ghosts haunt you forevermore.

mistreated turkey ghosts

YABU. But I care enough about their quality of life to wish it were much longer, ie I don't eat them at all.

I do find the whole idea of 'caring' about an animal that ends up as meat on your plate a bit , but I suppose it's better than nothing.

Sorry, meant

You will only find coal in your stocking this year, OP.

Yes. And organic, locally-sourced coal at that.

yabu.

I'm a ex veggie and eat meat once or twice a month as I will only buy organic, free range chicken. I am quite happy eating lentil-y things if I can't afford meat.

Even XP commented on how much better the organic chicken was compared to the cheap ones.

I don't actively want the turkey to suffer more than it has to I guess, but I won't be up at night thinking about it.....

Weird thread all in all!

ps I don't think it's an unreasonable response to some of the posters on that other thread. I have so many important other things filling my head at the moment, I'm a ball of nervous energy. Honestly if I time to worry about a turkey's quality of life I'd be sorted.

Yup, I'm at t'other end of the spectrum to you too. Just can't understand how you can look at a creature and feel no empathy.
It just baffles (and scares) me. And if you have no empathy, can't we even rely on selfishness? Aside from all the reasons already listed, does it not make you wonder what eating something grown with unhappy, unhealthy hormones will do to you? I'm not even talking about all the crap they are given just to stay alive (did you know that not too long ago, little boys in HK started growing breasts? No one could figure out why until they looked at their diets. Chicken pumped full of hormones.), I'm talking about the stress hormones that the poor creatures must produce bucket loads of.

And if you can live with all of that, I've got one word for you.

Karma.

You don't need to be up all night thinking about it, you just need to make sensible, empathetic shopping decisions.

I always get a Paul Kelly turkey

The wander in a bluebell wood in the day, then deep piles of fresh hay at night. They pass away peacefully in their sleep with their loved ones around them and everyone says they "had a good innings"

I think.

WEll, as I'm 90% pescatarian I don't think my children will be growing breasts. I'm going to my mother's on xmas day and I will eat what I'm given, say 'mmmm that's gorgeous' even if it tastes like it's been dried on the radiator and then finished off with a hairdryer.

I buy my turkey from a nearby farm. They assure me that it has lived the life of soft luxury with pleasant walks and outstanding views of the South Downs. At night it is tucked cosily into a warm barn where it dreams happy turkey dreams. They even humour me by calling it by name. Although for several years I appear to have been eating a reincarnation of Terry (the original) Turkey.

meh, im kinda with you on this one op. Whilst i dont wish any cruelty or suffering on any animal, when im buying my turkey/chicken/meat of any kind, usually from the supermarket, (or maybe a butchers Turkey for Christmas), im looking at prices and size, not the quality of life it had. Maybe if it was financially a lot better of I might buy all organic, but im not so I wont.

But I'm always a little wary of people who genuinely don't care about the basic welfare of animals. In my experience, it tends to extend to people, too. A lack of empathy, if you will. >> THIS.