"It should punch you round the face, with a little kiss after", oh you reckon, Jamie Oliver?

[Katiekitty]

"It should punch you round the face, with a little kiss after"

Jamie Oliver's BBQ sauce recipe.

Fuck off Jamie.

peas You asked me a question and I had to repeat myself by cutting and pasting from up thread.
This is AIBU. The OP asks a question, people agree or disagree, she comes back, they come back, she comes back...

Slow internet connection for me here tonight, sorry for slow reply!

"AIBU to give someone a pasting for talking about something that triggered some bad feelings in them" ??

yep, you are

The DV I experienced seems a lifetime ago, just every now and again, when I hear somethng such as JO said, it flits back into my mind.

It always will. I'll never forget it.

If that's been professionally offended, sign me up.

Any A pasting? Quote please.

Stickemup
If you can't see a difference between someone being jealous of pregnant friends, and being upset over domestic violence memories, then I am not sure what to say to you, tbh.

It's a stupid turn of phrase.

It's not relevant whether he meant it to be imagery of what it's imagery of, is it? Are we really saying he's so thick he can't understand that imagery of a 'punch round the face' makes you imagine, um, a punch round the face, followed by 'a little kiss', which makes you think of ... well ... a little kiss?

It's not exactly Jocyean complexity we're talking here.

If Oliver were really that dim, he'd be struggling to string sentences together, and my impression of him is that that is far from true.

So, it seems likely he simply didn't bother to consider where he'd got that image from or what it suggested. That's lazy and wankerish.

Sure, it's probably a one-off (though along with his other wankerish phrases, this seems unlikely). No-one is demanding we string him up in the middle of the village green. But maybe it's worth a little discussion all the same.

kittyF...is Op going to feel any better after this thread ? Or is she going to feel belittled and undermined after reading some of the responses ?

"AIBU for being annoyed with the way my cat looks at me" Reasonable reply...Yes, you are professionally offended

"AIBU for being triggered by a comment that reminded me of the DV I suffered"....Unreasonable reply... "Yes, and you need to get help, stop being professionally offended"

Jamie Oliver is pretty dim I suspect LRD

Any :"AIBU for being triggered by a comment that reminded me of the DV I suffered"
OP didn't ask that.

I don't think he's that dim, kitty.

YANBU. I have no personal DV experience but "understood" the imagery immediately.

stickemup, having sympathy for different difficulties people have in their life is not exclusive to only one area

there are lots of awful experiences I would hesitate to pick at people for, and tell them they need to "get help"

yes, even in AIBU

JO may be dim but the way that TV works is that the people who work on these programmes especially when we're talking about Channel 4 will sit around a table and plan how they're going to make the programme edgy and urban and cool. Don't for one second imagine there won't be a dozen wankers wearing skinny jeans clapping like seals when JO comes out with this unfortunate phrase.

Stickemup
Actually, I have had 3 miscarriages, and know exactly how it feels to be jealous of a pregnant friend. If someone were to post that on MN, then I would hope that most people would have the empathy to reply kindly to a person posting a similar story.

And if they did give the OP a pasting, then I would stick up for the OP.

I am sorry if you are going through this at the moment. It is truly crap.

peas - yes, that I can completely believe.

Mme - well said, and sorry it has to be said.

I don't think JO is dim.

You don't get to a position of being the most famous TV chef in UK (dare I say one of the most famous in the world) with a string of restaurants, and other business interests when you are 'dim'.

I think he is very canny, and that he knows exactly what his public profile is, and plays to that market.

YANBU OP - I cannot bear this or the hideous 'pimp' phrase that JO uses all the time - just one more drop in the steady trickle that normalises this kind of shite in our every day lives.

I think the posters who are claiming the OP hasn't been given a pasting are being disingenuous to say the least... 'get a grip'? 'professionally offended'? Both pretty offensive and attempting to deny someone else's feelings.

Yanbu. It's imagery which shouldn't be the norm. Doesn't matter if it used to be, as Porto much more eloquently said, but it shouldn't be now.

OP is unfairly getting a hard time here. I don't think Jamie is dim, but I doubt he thought through the connotations of that phrase and I am sure he doesn't encourage or incite DV.

However it is an example of misogynistic language or imagery which has worked its way into acceptance and normality. He was not being deliberately offensive or insensitive, but the fact that he, his producers, such a chunk of the audience can't or won't understand why it is at the very least insensitive is indicative of a worrying attitude to women in society.

So I didn't ask AIBU - I just hang out in AIBU (and X-Factor), seemed as good a place as any to bring my post to.

As I've said, it takes a lot to offend me, but JO managed it today.

I'm not feeling undermined, I'm chuffed we're having this heated debate about it. DV aint funny and there are many ways JO could have expressed his no doubt marvelous BBQ sauce, "a punch in the face and a kiss after" is too evocative of other things than just a nice thing to have for tea.

Aren't we all made up of little bits of our own life experience?

(Even those getting strange looks from their cats )