to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

[londonone]

bbc

I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

"Life is too short to offer assistance to people who won't read."

I don't know about you, but when I was learning new languages, one of the most effective ways was to see things written in both the new language and my own native language. It's very hard to pick up a new language without being able to compare it to your own.

Only giving out information in English doesn't actually help people learn English.

gosh - people do seem to hate this country don't they - and want so badly to change it from the fair, just, island that fights for the underdog to some kind of closed minded, closed state where people will forced into things

If UKIP came to power you wouldn;t have to deport me!

Yes dawndonna I did as I am fed up of every political thread on mumsnet being turned around to a disability issue. This is not about disability in any way. Of course glitter managed to respond, you on the other hand it seems like to be offended on others behalf!

Exactly gordy, it's so closed minded. The ideology of 'i'm alright jack, pull up the ladder'.

the views of the bnp and edl

ukip again but as their stance is very much on not being part of europe some may be members becuase but certainly as foster parents you can not be fostering or adopting immigrant children

being a member of the edl or bnp you are full of hate

i am off out to dinner not running away from this debate

Enjoy dinner!

I didn't make it all about disability at all.
A UKIP supporter referred to 'quality' and I asked if that related to part of the UKIP general election manifesto in order to give context to UKIP ideology.

You're just champing at the bit for a scrap, aren't you?

ElBurroSinNombre

The irony of this is that I'd bet that the foster parents are disenfranchised Labour supporters who feel betrayed and let down by Labour. And precisely because of this sort of thing.

According to the Telegraph article, they were indeed Labour voters.

It's quite scary that many former Labour voters think UKIP is even remotely similar. It isn't.

No, London

Three years ago, my dh, a philosophy lecturer acquired an infection. He was prescribed drugs that are banned in America. He cannot walk. He cannot dress himself, toilet himself etc. He can't eat somedays and has gone from eleven and a half stone to eight and a half. UKIP would like to put him in a community, along with my three kids with ASD. All of whom, I might add, have better manners and far more empathy than you appear to. But heyho, that's life and I intend to keep fighting UKIP and their ilk so that I can look after my husband and children at home.
Funnily enough, the three children with ASDs are all extraordinarily intelligent and will grow up to be productive members of society, something that UKIP would presumably remove if they are to go to a community.
Oh no, they would be productive in said community, just as they were in the workhouses of yore. Yep, managed to bring that in too.

There had been no mention of disability at all until your post, that was my point.

Labour really need a kicking in Rotherham, they are so arrogant. Don't see it happening though, too many people there are reliant on benefits and won't bite the hand that feeds them.

gordy, Glittar

I am no supporter of UKIP. But we have a long tradition of tolerence and freedom of expression in the UK. To me it is 'closed minded' and against our traditions to try to silence people who do not share the same opinions as you.

I think if I really wanted to become a foster carer, I would be prepared to do things like giving up smoking (a requirement for looking after under-5s) and taking care not to join a political party that had such an odd view on 'doctrine of multiculturalism.'

Dawndonna - it's not relevant to his thread

It's valid though, because we're talking about those oh so delightful UKIP policies.

Glitterknickaz

It's quite scary that many former Labour voters think UKIP is even remotely similar. It isn't.

Something like 1/3 of UKIP members are ex-Labour voters. Labour has lost its core vote and UKIP speaks to that vote. Labour doesn't represent traditional Labour voters and hasn't for, probably, 15-20 years.

Dawndonna

Three years ago, my dh, a philosophy lecturer acquired an infection. He was prescribed drugs that are banned in America. He cannot walk. He cannot dress himself, toilet himself etc. He can't eat somedays and has gone from eleven and a half stone to eight and a half. UKIP would like to put him in a community, along with my three kids with ASD. All of whom, I might add, have better manners and far more empathy than you appear to. But heyho, that's life and I intend to keep fighting UKIP and their ilk so that I can look after my husband and children at home.
Funnily enough, the three children with ASDs are all extraordinarily intelligent and will grow up to be productive members of society, something that UKIP would presumably remove if they are to go to a community.
Oh no, they would be productive in said community, just as they were in the workhouses of yore. Yep, managed to bring that in too.

Like so many people who hate UKIP, you actually know nothing about it beyond what you think you read in the Guardian.

I think UKIP would be well advised to drop the DoM statement of policy after this.

"It's quite scary that many former Labour voters think UKIP is even remotely
similar. It isn't."

That's probably why they've switched their vote. Labour is driving voters away with their left-wing lunacy.

If you want to discuss UKIP policies in general then do start a thread! I am no great supporter of them and think some of their policies frankly bonkers but that is not what this thread is meant to be about. But it's an open forum so post what you want but don't get pissed off if people point out its irrelevant

Labour would be in major trouble without it's voters that are reliant on benefits. How many of their voters are actually in favour of Labours policies regarding immigration, multiculturalism etc? I would guess not nearly enough to get them anywhere close to power.

Glitterknickaz Sat 24-Nov-12 19:03:03

I didn't make it all about disability at all.
A UKIP supporter referred to 'quality' and I asked if that related to part of the UKIP general election manifesto in order to give context to UKIP ideology.

So you assume I am a UKIP supporter? I am just a person who can see a politically motivated spite crime.

"to try to silence people who do not share the same opinions as you"

Who is silencing them? All I'm seeing is not wanting children to be placed with someone whose personal views are potentially in opposition to the needs of the children.

Not particularly closed minded when concerns regard parties who are against characteristics protected in law in this country.

Ie discrimination based on race, age, gender or disability.

I don't see what the issue is on bringing other policies of a political party into a discussion about some of their members and fitness to do their job. In this case their unsuitability based on party membership may not merely be based on UKIP immigration policy.

They don't think UKIP is similar to Labour but they have no where to go politically because they feel the political establishment does not listen to the likes of them - and as I said they think like that precisely because of decisions like this one.