to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

[londonone]

bbc

I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

flatpack
Actually, have spent half the day re reading their manifesto.
Unlike you, as has been noted before, I tend to go with empirical evidence.

The couple are in their late 50s. They probably gained their allegiance to Labour 40 years ago. They are a very different party today.

UKIP are not a fluffy little party who want to be nice to victims of war crimes. They want to stop immigration into this country.

Their policy says they still want the country to meet it's obligations to refugees, they just want to detain them all (men, women and children) in prisons secure facilities.

Labour, left wing?
That's bloody laughable really.

They're not out to protect benefit claimants at all. They introduced ATOS and apparently support the Welfare Reform bill largely as it stands.

There is no real opposition in this country in some areas, just big clods of the same right wing-ism in various guises.

I agree that Labour isn't really representing the people it used to. Even when they were in power they didn't do much to help Trade Unions and people fighting for their jobs. I've heard traditional Labour voters being disillusioned by them. Not the champagne socialists types but traditional Labour people only wanting a fair system. I can't be bothered with them any more. I did vote for them in the last general election but when the results came I was pleased they didn't get in. I was quite surprised at myself.

It's interesting though that the campaign against UKIP has ratcheted up, as Mahatma Gandhi said:-

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

We are moving into the 3rd stage I think. UKIP seem to have become a contender to the 3 main parties.

Goths - believe it or not most children don't know or care about politics or political parties. The correct thing to do in this case would be to talk to and listen to the children involved and if they were happy with their placement then to leave them there.

Glitter - your last sentence is just a made up justification for bringing you agenda onto this thread. Like I said why not start a thread about what is wrong with UKIP rather t

OK, now I've read the thread and I'm

Some really nasty things being said on here, and some really closed minds.

I'm off to do bathtime now, just voting team MrsDeVere before I pop off.

Oh, and PLEASE stop calling them foster parents. THEY'RE NOT PARENTS.

Argh cross post

linerunner who is silencing you? no one

This is about what is in the best interests of vulnerable children - with the full facts and all the evidence - I am not privy to those - the social workers involved where

they may have been wrong - there is to be an investigation

but how CAN you foster children who belong to a group you don't want in this country - serious question?

Yes Debora because that is the most important issue, whether people call them carers or parents FFS you really couldn't make this shit up.

Well exactly. We're not talking about children being taken away from parents because they think that the UK should leave the EU.

gordyslovesheep Sat 24-Nov-12 19:18:58
linerunner who is silencing you? no one

gordy you've got the wrong poster.

No and only someone extremely stupid who hadn't read e article would think that!

Devora - so we shouldn't use the recognised laymans terminology bacause it is offensive in some way? And what is offensive about calling them parents - they are afterall taking on parental responsibilities.

"believe it or not most children don't know or care about politics or political parties."

Maybe. But you can't say with certainty that all children are blissfully unaware. And you can't say which category those children will fall into. Can you imagine the outcry if it was found out later that these children understood and were upset by the foster families political views? here anything wrong with erring on the side of caution in this case?

londonone Sat 24-Nov-12 19:21:24
No and only someone extremely stupid who hadn't read e article would think that!

Poor old Nigel Farage. Disparaged again.

Lol

gordy I am not londoneone

Goths - That could have been established by talking to and listening to the children as I suggested. I would guess that removing them will have traumatised them - how is that in their best interest?

Hey it's not me complaining about being silenced!,,,

ElBurro, I think they are extremely young, i.e. one is a baby.

I think it's interesting that people assume if you disagree with the councils actions you must somehow support UKIP. I certainly don't. I would be equally horrified had this stance been taken with regards to labour or conservative members for example, perhaps around a different issue.

I think it might relate to ElBurro's post?

"ElBurroSinNombre Sat 24-Nov-12 19:06:00
gordy, Glittar
I am no supporter of UKIP. But we have a long tradition of tolerence and freedom of expression in the UK. To me it is 'closed minded' and against our traditions to try to silence people who do not share the same opinions as you. "