to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

[londonone]

bbc

I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

One of the children is described as a baby. How would that work then?

The children of immigrants, children who may well have been born outside the UK themselves, being looked after by people who have joined a party known for its anti-immigration stance is not a good match. Is that complicated?

really londonone

bnp and edl are hate parties. Do you really believe that a policeman/woman a teacher, a judge, a doctor in a hospital, a housing officer would keep be able to judge fairly when they see themselves purely because they are white, british and from a christian background as superior

how could a member of ukip teach in an area where you have a number of immigrants without projecting their feelings when they feel so stongly

as much as i hate the edl and bnp i am not in support of them being banned i fear it would cause them to join forces and we live ina a country of free speech it comes with pitfalls. but being a member you are openly supporting a racist party you have no right to have a job where you have influence or control over peoples lives because being a racist you can not be objective its is not the same as having socialist or conservative views its is judging somene on their colour or religious backgroud and disliking them for it

If the foster carers are experienced they surely would be capable of not imposing views on the children.
As a child I had no idea of my grandparents/mothers political views, I was an adult before I found out who my mother supports, and was horrified it surprised me!
I'm sure this situation will only put off potential foster carers from applying which is sad.
Rhetorical I know, but what happens when a child from a cultural background, which holds antisemitic/homophobic views needs care,where do they place them in view of 'supporting cultural background'? How is that situation dealt with?

You might also want to look up how averages work.

And I hope for her sake she hasn't been to Rotherham

KarlosKKrinkelbeim

"Wasn't Rotherham Council one of those criticised for failing to deal properly with grooming of young girls in their care? I'd laugh, if it weren't so utterly tragic for the children these dickheads are supposed to look after. "

^^This.

Who decides the acceptable stance on any issue? Do you not see the precedent this sets? Fecking wibbling with WTF here!!!

What is wrong with wanting to stop immigration into this country?

UKIP want to regulate immigration, like every other country does.

Is disgusting.

We are not racists. We do not want to repatriate immigrants or their children.

What we do want is to end open door immigration in favour of work permits.

I think it's UKIP's policy to

'End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies'

that could be an issue, not just 'the numbers'.

Yes Freudian slipper - I do think that professional people are able to separate their political views from their work. I believe that as long as a party illegal then membership of it should not be a bar to any profession. Otherwise it is a slippery slope. There are plenty of people who hold extremely strong religious virwsc which amount to hate. Should they be banned from professions as well? And wh would you charge with making the decision over which beliefs are ok andwhich arent?

How many people do you want here? We have massive building going on around our local towns to accommodate all the extra people. We can self support circa 30million in the UK, we already are over 70 million and still growing. We depend on JIT and cheap energy, you don't have to be feckin Einstein to see a problem if we ever encounter a big economic or global event. We should be bijoux and selective, build a society that is small and full of quality and live within our means.

They want to stop anyone who's not a UK citizen from receiving benefits until they've been here for 5 years. So, yes to benefits for 19 year olds who've never worked, no to immigrants who've paid into the system for 4 and a half years.

So you only have to have money and qualifications if you weren't born here.

nice publicity for UKIP, anyway, they get to look hard done by.

What people seem to be missing (I haven't read the whole thread)

1. It was an emergency placement which the foster parents knew was going to end soon anyway
2. the council were following legal advice to consider the children's ethnic and cultural needs- so all these people critcising the council should take it up with the court. Singing songs from their country, as the fps apparently say they did, is good, but not enough. If fundamentally you feel those children shouldn't be in this country (supported by the state, as they will be if in care)....then you are probably not the best person to look after them. Not rocket science.
3. No one has a right to be a foster parent- it's an opportunity you are given IF it's in the best interest of the child/ren
4. There may well be more to this than we know, which the council, protecting the children won't reveal, I would say the anonymity of those children is already jeapordised.

Narked they chose to come here and this policy is widely adopted globally.

Hopefully this will lead to a mass clearout of Rotherhams social services. It should have happened after the child abuse scandal. There are too many people there that are more concerned with being PC and climbing the career ladder than they are about protecting children.

Narked - you seem to be unable to imagine that people could actually seperate their more abstract political beliefs from their behaviour towards vulnerable children. You do not know their motivation for joining UKIP, but if they live in Rotherham they are probably disgruntled Labour supporters registering a protest.

If the foster parents had acted in a discriminatory way towards the kids then of course removing them would have been right. There is no evidence of that and every report has emphasised what good foster parents they are. How is removing vulnerable children from a loving environment with experienced foster parents the right decision? - the kids have probably been traumatised enough already.

Mrsdevere- I was asking as you seemed keen to emphasise the differences of all the cultures you came across. I was merely pointing out that they aren't different

"So you only have to have money and qualifications if you weren't born here. "

What exactly is wrong with that? Why should we accept people that have no money or qualifications? What benefit does it bring to this country other than putting downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on public services and housing?

Mrs devere do you believe he uk should have fully open borders with no restrictionson who has he right to live and work in the uk?