to think that feminism should have thought about the consequences and set some rules.

[TulisaLover]

I've been chatting with DP this evening and mentioned a post that's been doing the rounds on facebook. It's from a lady sending a message to This Morning about the cost of childcare - on the surface it's a powerful post.

To cut it down:

'I am looking to return to work next year and child care will cost 810 every 4wks - this is more than our mortage!!. The government should help with child care costs.'

DP and I agree with it's sentiment - that child care costs are crippling families, but not necessarily with helping for the costs - he said:

"This is why feminism should have laid down some rules. Both parents earning an income meant banks salivated and started lending for homes based on both. This has forced up prices to cover this as house prices are a function of the amount being lent. Society as a whole loses, bankers win. What should have happened is when you have kids, both parents should be encouraged to work part time so that childcare is shared - or failing that the higher earner whichever gender should have been the one to work. Problems like this wouldn't have happened."

It struck a chord with me - what do you ladies think?

I think that's a quote from the Facebook post that sparked the discussion, kim.

'Plays the metal markets like a fiddle'

I am a single parent. I have always earned my own money and I own a house and raise a child. I'm also a feminist.

The only thing that has crippled me is the cost of childcare.

It's got fuck all to do with feminism.

Having said all that, having read your post about recycling your shit, I think you may be slightly bonkers so this is neither here nor there

work and get ogled at
where you work? hooters show bar

Kim147, apparently that was a quote from a post they read on facebook.

The OP is here for shits and giggles, it's been established, but she's not personally wanting to work with her gold bars and self-sufficient lifestyle...

I happen to agree with some of what your DH has said but I take issue with it being the fault of feminists.

In terms of debt, capitalism has always thrived on debt despite what the media would have you believe, the main difference now is that more and more credit has been extended to workers. This is because of falling wages which is due to the natural falling rate of profit, something that is inevitable under capitalism.

The issue with wages has been partly stoked by the fact that all wokers have less bargaining power when we have a labour surplus, in that your husband is correct. But the surplus hasn't just been caused by women being in the workforce and only partly because women re-entered the workforce long after having been pushed out after 1945. 1945-1970 saw living standards increase for two reasons, the debt to GDP fell very steeply, we were short of men, women went back the kitchen but we also discovered new technologies that improved output but as yet hadn't pushed the worker aside. We had a sharp rise in wages which matched output.

He could have said that both men and women are wrong because we have made each and everyone of us available for waged worked when we have a falling rate of labour demand.

If he has an issue with the fact that life has become unaffordable to the many maybe he could take issue with the fact that it is men who own 90% of the worlds wealth and ask them to sort it out. Women are exploited for cheap labour the world over the main beneficiaries of this are the wealthy 10% who are overwhelmingly male.

DP ensures our faeces are completely composted and heat treated, then lets them cool for a year before using it on the land. We have a few acres of Grade 1 Agricultural so it's no problem.

Around this point in the year marks the day that women begin working for free, based on the percentage that women earn, compared to men.
A friend of mine recently remarked that, as a part time employee, she is not entitled to the bonuses her male colleagues receive, because she doesn't work enough hours to qualify.
This, regardless of the FACT that she does more work than they do, and brings in more revenue than they do in the time she is there.
She doesn't have the energy to complain, as she is also running her and her husbands home and doing most of the domestic tasks.
Is that "Feminism's" fault too?

are you a poo troll in disguise?

He is vehermently anti-capitalist Mini. He says information dissemination is his way of helping the world for now.

Oh dear Lord. Why am I engaging with this? Just read OP's last post.
At least you will have well fertilised land, OP, seeing as you are full of shit.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1607690-to-think-that-you-shouldnt-be-staring-down-my-shirt

For those who dispute my employment status.

Vehemently anti capitalist with personal gold reserves?

You've jumped the shark now op.

What is he going to do with all this gold then? the minute you turn it back into money it doesn't have a stable value? oh wait, neither does gold!

Are you sure he's an anti-cap? he sounds more like a free market anti fiat-money loon.

He's very much anti-fiat. The free market is fine - as long as it is genuinely free. We don't have those as the bank bailouts proved he says. But he's also said that remaining fluid in your choices (he's also very liquid too, as he says only 10% of assets should be in any one class) is paramount in order to 'play these sociopathic governments'.

DP ensures our faeces are completely composted and heat treated, then lets them cool for a year before using it on the land. We have a few acres of Grade 1 Agricultural so it's no problem.

I wouldn't be too sure about that, OP. its still not recommended. And there is a lot more to it.

But since you are full of crap, there will be plenty to go around.

So he isn't an anti cap then is he. He is a binary.

So only 10% of your assets are in gold? You've got other assets worth 18 million have you?

Pull the other one, it plays my old mans a dust man.

YABU but I see your point.

Feminism sought equality for women. This is a good thing.

There were some unforeseen results. Instead of equality women are still doing the lion's share of domestic and childcare duties and working outside the home (still for less money and opportunities than their male colleagues). More women are raising families as single parents. Instead of equality, we ended up with even more duties. These are not good things.

However, there is no other place or time in history that I would rather be as a woman. And that is down to feminism.

The fight goes on. Feminists could not have foreseen the above, but we know it now and it is our job to keep fighting for equality inside and outside the home.

Firstly, op, i have never read so many posts on here that start with 'he says' 'he said' he thinks'. Bless you.

Secondly another thread doesn't prove anything. I could create a post saying I have 2 and own a chain of restaurants across the country and am a multi millionaire. I own 6 cars and a country estate that I am renaming SKYFALL. :)

Doesn't make it true (or is it?)

you're fuckin priceless.dh was brains behind WIMP
aye,does he also work on KEECH unit
are you seconded to the wind and piss project

Coming back to the original issue.

This phenomenon of more women working was written about by an Amercian author several decades ago who noted that when families suddenly needed both man and wife to work in order to live the economy became more fragile as did family life.

The 1950s saw most women stay at home and if the man lost his job the women would often find a part time job while the man found a new full time job. The resiliance this arrangement offered to family finances has now gone. If both people are working there is nothing to fall back on if one of them loses their job.

It is a recognised social and economic phenomenon that has hit very hard in the Western World in recent years. Not sure it is a feminist issue though.

op it's quite telling you're so braggy and eager to disclose dp numerous achievements
what about you,why do you need to reference yourself on his achievements
what about you,what's your deal.don't live vicariously through dp

Very interesting lecture about the two income trap. Elizabeth Warren is a professor of law studying this area. At no point does she blame feminists.

Your third paragraph makes no sense at all morebeta. If both partners are working and one loses their job that leaves nothing to fall back on. Really? I would have thought the opposite