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Work Life Family relationship balance HTF do we balance it (really bloody long)

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worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 10:19

Is this unreasonable?!?!?!

Me and DW both work in IT. I'm a programmer, she's a project manager. She works for a eCommerce outfit, I work in the IS department of a Big Financial Services outfit. We're both expected to start work about 8ish and finish 7ish (that's desk time). Before anyone jumps to conclusions we don't earn the huge salaries that are the perceptions of the IT industry.

We're a nuclear family living in London - I have no family to call upon, DW's family are all in Oz, we don't have many friends to really call upon for help as neither of us are from this part of London.

Our dd1&2 are in reception and Y2 they start school at 8:30 and can finish at 5:30 at the latest.

We've had some difficulties with organising childcare to deal with our situation.

We don't earn enough or have enough surplus to afford a qualified nanny, we don't have enough space in her house for an Au-pair and don't have the savings or resources to move.

DW and I are sort of in agreement that one of us should quit work to do the necessaries to look after the kids - but one of us needs to get a job with a salary bump otherwise we will really have serious financial difficulties (we have them now but just get through it). As an example this is our basic breakdown house 1200 (double, big single, boxroom) council tax 250 energy and water 200 pcm. Oyster (* 2) 280. Fortunately, nothing goes on debt because we've been very careful to avoid it.

Everything left over seems to hemorrhage on food, clothes, children, childcare, a bit of weekend entertainment for the kids when its raining, books, learning materials and trying to have a nice comfortabe-ish life. You know the sort that you would expect to be a given our careers and education.

DW is better suited to getting a salary bump in her career than I am, but each of us accepts that one or the other may have to quit work as we don't see it becoming easier over the next 5-10 years, sustaining the work and family/school obligations. As an example DW's boss (double her salary, his wife has a very big salary, a nanny and weekend nanny) got narky that she was starting work an hour earlier so she could leave an hour earlier to collect the kids from school. My boss (no kids, unmarried starts work at 7am) pulls a face cos I don't get to my desk until 8:50 cos I do the school run in the morning (I drop them at breakfast club at 8am and if the underground is behaving its-self get to work 50mins later).

Problem is is that its starting to cripple me and DW relationship, the work constraints and obligations causes us a lot of stress on top of the stresses of running a household and looking after the children. We end up in a situation where I vocalise it, DW internalises it and we end up having a bit of an unhappy time, snipping snarking, snapping. Which neither of us wants, we don't expect it to be easy but it seems to be a lot harder than we both expected, especially as we are both knackered after a long day doing stuff and never seem to catch up over the weekend.

We are great-full for our incomes, and from my own background and experiences i know there are many people in much worse financial situations. but and I guess here comes the question. How do we manage all of this? because we suspect that we're not, what should we do to make it easier, bar winning the lottery (ain't never gonna happen eh!).

I feel that we live on a knife edge of destroying our relationship and our children's psychological health and well-being over having to work. ABIU I guess.

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Francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2012 19:39

Yes, Bomsoir, I realize that.

fromparistoberlin · 08/11/2012 19:46

agree with franca though, you could find someone one a more casual basis to do a few hours every day am/pm

does not have to be a nanny!

AThingInYourLife · 08/11/2012 19:49

"I'd be up for a second wife to help with all of this but DW is a definite no on this"

Given the gender pay gap, your DW is entirely right.

What you need is another husband in the house to bring in more money as well as the extra holidays.

Just think of the benefits ;)

Francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2012 19:51

I was just curious to know how much it is to employ someone who regularly does the school run and covers the hrs until you come home.

Chilminders are cheaper, no?

1605 · 08/11/2012 20:02

Babysitters are casual workers, Franca, and for school drop off and pick up, and after school, it's often a student or a pensioner on £8ph.

They're more affordable than formal care and their annualised earnings rarely amount to the tax band so you can be 'legit'.

1605 · 08/11/2012 20:04

The problem for the OP is finding slack in the budget to pay even a babysitter. I think debt is the only way he can do it. As I said before, it's not forever.

NamingOfParts · 08/11/2012 20:21

There is a lot to be said for having one parent at home. For us it made all those holidays, training days, sick days easier to manage. We did end up with a much improved quality of life.

worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 20:24

All the childminders in our brourgh are all up to the hilt with kids and we didn't get dc's into local catchment area. I did mention difficulty organising childcare and thats one of them the people who were prepared to drive the kids to school (not take three buses) wanted over £50 for around 25-45 mins work... I wish my hourly rate was that. And not round here are there CM's with space I can tell you that there are shitloads of single working mums where the babyfather has buggered off.

Dozer I'm a spineless bastard in the workplace which is why I feel the unnecessary guilt for not working the extra I'm "not" supposed to.

Adversecamber London is interesting It was a disposable statement... but this year so far We've (jointly or singly) taken the kids to Victoria Park every other Sunday until the Olympic sods started charging for it. 8 times to the museum of childhood DC's love it there.
Natural History, Princess Diana Park, Holland Park to see the peacocks, Kew and Old deer park richmond, Tate Modern 4 times they love the turbine hall,
Tower of london, Saw Tower Brigde rise, Museum of design,
A walk around Shad Thames so they could see where oliver twist was based. Epping Forest for a jungle adventure. Science Museum and Hyde Park. Me I get to walk around strange and weird bits of the City at lunchtime to get away from my desk. Last week did brick Lane, Devonshire Sq, petticoat lane and spitalfields (DW would bring DC's down for my lunch break during half term). In previous weeks I've nipped over to Foyles on CharingX road at lunchtime, down to London Bridge to meet DW for lunch. Thats probably where our money disappears to is trooping the little loves all over the place so they can have fun and see interesting things.

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worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 20:26

AThingInYourLife I've also put that forward as a suggestion she says No... bit vanilla in those respects

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SizzleSazz · 08/11/2012 20:34

I think i would speak to your employer - discuss flexible working and if it is a no, then say you will only be able to do your contracted hours. If however, they are willing to compromise a bit and let you work from home then of course you can fit more hours in during the evening etc.

Hand a choice to them. Much more tricky to say no if you give them 2 options.

Oh, and I very much sympathise - i had to give up a good professional career when DC started school. However on the flip side our outgoings are massively reduced as i have time to walk places rather than drive, shop around, much less petrol, no childcare cost, no work wardrobe etc

Francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2012 20:34

I think zoP it was unfair to pick on your statement that London is interesting. It bloody is a wonderful place to live and grow up. I don't blame you for wanting to stay put, tbh.

1605 · 08/11/2012 20:46

The amount of free stuff on your doorstep actually makes it a very cheap place to entertain children.

Aboutlastnight · 08/11/2012 20:56

I'm a Londoner.
Moved to Glasgow 10 years ago. Never looked back. Very cosmopolitan and ethnically/ culturally diverse. I have German, Spanish, Danish, Italian, Peruvian, Indian friends and acquaintances as well as Scots.

It's fab. Look at the West End of Glasgow if you are serious about moving, everything is on your doorstep and there is a buzz and humour about this city that I love. That said, I will always be an outsider but I doesn't bother me.

worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 21:01

1605 eh! yeh guess so if I want to take them to Barkingside park (it has quite a nice play area... wooden sunken pirate ship) with a packed lunch but that's still 2 buses there 2 buses back £4.80 and Ice cream £2.40 (ok I'll be a bastard and say no... but I'm a soft touch), I've done it, during the summer holidays it was a weekly treat to go somewhere. But that with one of us at home all the time. Say I was working over the summer holidays, that would be the Nanny costs for a 10 hour day, plus the reimbursables. Suddenly not so cheap.

With a monthly travel pass zones 1-4 it is much more do-able and there are lovely free places (Holland Park, Princess Diana Park)... the play parks round here are quite good, if you get there before the teen gangs get out of bed and the dealing begins or drunks with the vodka fumes rising off them...

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1605 · 08/11/2012 21:16

I'm afraid I'd say no to the ice creams Wink. Also monthly travel cards - don't be doing PAYG Oyster. But no,the cost of the babysitter would make it prohibitive.

You don't sound entirely sold on your local area, you know. It might be time to up sticks, especially if you need cheaper childcare and will be worrying about schools in years to come.

roseum · 08/11/2012 21:30

There are lots of other lovely cities - Bristol is great, and has lots of industry/ employers, for example. What about both going part-time - possibly in different jobs, it greatly reduces your need for childcare.

worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 21:53

As an update DW has posted her CV to a number of jobs in Glasgow/Edinburgh, she's had a call from a recruiter for an equivalent paid job (but with benefits she gets nothing in the way of that in her current job) in one of them and wants to put her forward for the role. We've had a scooby at houses and my jaw nearly hit the ground when I see what bang you get for your buck... ffs one of them came with a gardener... lols we'd have a servant blatant poor taste joke And then there's the schools I think we'd be hard pressed to find anything like east london sink school with an ofstead of failing

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goingupinsmoke · 08/11/2012 22:07

worklifedifficult keep us posted with your decisions you sound like a lovely couple trying to juggle tricky situation that we all seem to be doing right now, back up in the thread the summer breaks we use a combination of fun camps, taking time off between each other and we d have grandparents in scotland so they get sent off there for a week or two.

cloutiedumpling · 08/11/2012 22:11

Edinburgh and Glasgow are fab. I have lived in both. They both have a different feel but in a good way and there is lots to do in both cities. Also, as it only takes an hour or so to drive between them (depending on where you live it can be more or less) it is easy to access the facilities in both cities. Childcare where I live is available and most primary schools offer after school clubs which also run during the longer school holidays. I think the work / life balance is a lot better than the situation you have described.

fromparistoberlin · 08/11/2012 22:27

ah, so not in local school, and no CM

I see your difficulties

i am however very impressed at the energy for outings

maybe...whispers...you are putting waaaaay to much pressure to be the fun nuclear weekend family, very normal when both parents work I know
but its tiring!!! for all 4 of you

read, digest, think...some good advice on thread

this shall pass, or you will jointly decide a solution

and as for work, grin and bear it

dont shoot me, but i NEVER take lunch breaks, means i get alot more flex if needed in other ways

worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 22:45

fromparistoberlin the energy for outings... plain and simple selfishness... knacker the little loves and we get a quiet night. Me and DW tag team it (no not at night) one weekend I execise them and she loafs... Next weekend she exercises em and I loaf third weekend we exercise em together.

goingupinsmoke Thats nice thanks... I'd not really considered "lovelly" to describe us... grouchy, knackered. worried and strung-out would probably be how I would perceive it (with a side order tetchy, bitter and angry on my part).

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GrimmaTheNome · 08/11/2012 23:21

those are symptoms born of frustration. Not who you really are.

saffronwblue · 08/11/2012 23:22

Good luck OP. The equation of 2 careers and school aged DC is almost impossible to solve and I admire you for telling it as it is. I agree with many posters above that having an open mind to a possible move may be the answer. You sound as if you will get the most out of wherever you live. The set-up you describe is really living on a knife edge- if ( god forbid) any family member got a chronic illness or health problem you have absolutely no elastic to manage it.
These are the years that you and your DC will look back on with nostalgia. Don't spend them in a haze of grumpy exhaustion if you can find any alternative.

worklifedifficult · 08/11/2012 23:45

saffronwblue Thanks for that we've already had that experience of illness DW had breast cancer 18 months ago and has only been back in the workplace for the last year or so. She managed to recover her career after being out of it for over 8 months... we had a bit of elastic back then but none at all now.

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saffronwblue · 08/11/2012 23:49

Oh I'm sorry to hear that you have already been tested like that. Great news on DW's recovery.
I suggest you sit down with DW, open a bottle of wine and discuss "How do we want the next 5 and ten years to be?"