To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

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Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

well fine then wearing a niqab implies the face is for herself and who she chooses to show it to, no for men! lol

and posie about that carrying burden of brothers sin read this thread lol www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1607690-to-think-that-you-shouldnt-be-staring-down-my-shirt

in Islam a woman is commanded to cover, and a man is commanded to lower his gaze, in this thread, everyone is saying it is your fault for not covering up, dont expect him to avert his gaze!

in Islam a women is commanded to cover.

Does it really say that?! From my understanding, it says, 'be modest, dress modestly'. Two different things.
See the problem with interpretations??

no it says put your jilbabs on, and pull your khimar around your chest....

Draw a veil across your adornments is it not? By which it is said to mean boobs. Ergo, don't get yer baps out. Works for me.

?And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their khimar all over Juyoobihinna (body)"

?O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their jilbaab all over their bodies"

ok i can see this requires some explanation as above the verse says draw your khimar over your juyoobihinna
juyoobihinna means neck chests (and face) and khimar is used to describe a head covering, so it is saying pull your head covering down over you chest and neck.

khimaar

jilbaab is used to refer to a one piece outer garment worn when outside of the house which starts from neck or head.

jilbaab

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"Khimar" means "a covering" in Arabic, though, doesn't it? You don't know if this word (used in a sentence 1,400 years ago) meant the same thing as the bulbous curtain people now call "khimar".

If God wanted to tell women to cover up everything but their eyes and hands, He would have said so in the Quran. This verse just says to cover one's bosom and not show one's valuables to avoid trouble. Sensible advice, really.

but i do know what khimar meant 1400 years ago, coz the people 1400 years ago said what it meant and showed what it referred to.

remember the whole discussion about cultural clothing, and how these modes of dress prexisted islam?

the verse says pull your khimaar (a covering worn by the people of the time on their head) over your bosom

Men are also to dress modestly.

yes men have restrictions women dont have, cant wear silk, gold , orange

Please copy and paste one example of bigotry Silibili. And Cote if you are accusing me - back it up.

Nailak seems like a sensible voice on the honour killing issue.

But given when and where the Koran was penned don't you question, at all, the context of telling women to cover. Why shouldn't men cover?

Why is sex such a controlled thing? Which I guess comes back to the whole point. It's the control of people sexually, a basic human urge, which is at the heart of all religion. Which in turn is possibly about paternity.

Men are supposed (so I am told) to wear long sleeves and also dress modestly.

Most women I know cover when they have to (where they may be stopped or arrested) or if they are abroad and, say, entering a holy place. I can only comment with any confidence on those who live where the veil is enshrined in law, therefore they have very little choice in the matter, so my attitude is slanted to 'women are fighting now not to do this under fear of arrest, beating, etc.' Thank god we live somewhere where the law does not meddle in religiom (except in sriminal matters) - and I think everyone should bear that in mind. We have choices and should respect that - anyone who takes away choice (bullying, blackmail, etc) is in the wrong, so we have laws to protect the victims (again not perfect).

Minority religions will be scrutinized wherever you are - muslim, christian, jew... It is human nature to be suspicious of 'different' and those who you may perceive to reject in any way your 'norm' or beliefs.

All any of us can do is show each other that we are all ice cream (different flavours, but all ice cream nonetheless - I think thats from a kids book, isnt it?).

I think Nailak speaks a lot of sense, and I'd like to hang out with her. I dont thinl for one minute she would judge me on my looks, clother, beliefs or (weird) habits!

Nailik does come across as non judgemental but this is not about Nailik! (unfortunately)

posie, no, sex is not at the heart if all religions. Not for Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism or Taoism, Shintoism. The heart o these is moksha, karma, nirvana. People are free to practice whatever (relatively speaking) they want in these.
I think Christianity, Islam and possibly Judaism (not sure) may have sexuality as a focus point that does not agree with our society now.

brycie, there you go again. Petty arguments, taking things out of context, personalising things.
I really can't be bothered to cut and paste to give you focus and a personal argument. I am not into that and it does not rock my boat.

Why did Allah ask Muslims to kill Muslims who gave up Islam (apostasy)?
Why did Allah forbid the taking and giving of interest (usury)?
Why did Allah forbid consuming alcoholic drinks on earth (Haram), but allowed it in Heaven?
Why did Allah sanction killing human beings for Transgressions, Digressions, unwed sex, etc.; isn?t Allah a creator of life and property, rather than a destroyer?
Why did Allah sanction amputation of the whole hand and leg for stealing?
Why did Allah ask Muslim husbands to scrounge (whip) and desert their disobedient wives till submission?
Why did Allah say in the Quran, man was created from a blood clot, then again said from nothing, then said from clay, then said from a thickened liquid, then said from mud, then said from gushing fluid, then said from water; why this confusion/error, and didn't Allah actually know?
Why did Allah confirm evil comes from Allah himself; so isn?t Allah evil then?
Why did Allah say the earth is flat, and didn't Allah know the earth is round; and how can one face the Kaaba, except the sky; and how can Allah be so wrong?

Sorry I should have said Abrahamic religions.

Religious texts are often translated and re-translated and mistranslated. They are a product of their time. It wans't that long ago that the bible was in latin and purgatory was created to suit the church.

Often they are sprinkled with current custom, ideas and writers' biases. Yes, not a good idea to eat pigs in a hot country - pork can go spectacularly nasty in the heat. Its not 'good housekeeping' but a religious book, so put in those terms. Booze was obviously a major cause of problems - so get rid of it... This is how the koran has been explained to me by born and bred muslims.

How could and writer waaay back when predict how the world would evolve?

Thats why any religion worth its salt looks to the present and future, and not the past. Some don't believe in dinosaurs, or use anything not mentioned in the bible (electricity or immunisation, anyone?). The main elements remail: don't kill, lie or harm other people. Look after your family, work amd respect yourself and others. Sadly it is humans who cause the problems, not any external force/deity.

The lack of foresight makes me wonder how anyone believes in any God.

I don't know, I really don't... But I hope there is.

How could and writer waaay back when predict how the world would evolve?

I thought the writer was God.........How could he get it wrong if he created everything?

But could god tell a man about nuclear wars, inventions...?