To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

[TheHairyDieter]

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed

But she pays taxes, as does everyone.
I don't think everyone does you know.

I agree that £67pm is a just a little bonus and certainly not a necessity if you are earning 100k. But people are not charities. The attitude that some have:
" Oh she's rich, she doesn't need it, she has a DUTY to give it up. The government can then give more to me instead for free"
Stinks.

I'd agree with you if the money did go directly to people that need it more but it won't.

We have a larger household income and will lose the CB and to be honest it will make a difference, it's £240 per month.

The real villains are not those on £100k, which is less than most people think after tax and NI, it is those very high earners who avoid tax by using off shore or clever accounting, it's ex pats who pay fuck all but send their kids to Uni here as a national or come home for the NHS, it's huge corporations who avoid tax.

I'm pretty fed up with this Govt and media pitting the majority (bottom 80%) against eachother as opposed to making the majority fight the injustice of so few having most of the wealth.

"The attitude that some have:
" Oh she's rich, she doesn't need it, she has a DUTY to give it up. The government can then give more to me instead for free"

Poorer people than her are bearing the brunt of the cuts!

Clearly the worst affected are people on DLA.

posie, good point about pitting people againstn each other
Yes, I doubt that the people who need it more will get this cash. But everyone is being asked to make cuts. Should universal CB be exempt from that and if so why

The real villains are... ex pats who pay fuck all but send their kids to Uni here as a national or come home for the NHS.

What utter drivel. Expats are not entitled to free NHS care and their children will pay the Foreign Student fees. They do not get a discount.

But we've already made massive cuts, our household income has dropped by around 30% as my husband works in the private sector. Why should we make more, why should any of us when Amazon , Vodaphone, Starbucks avoid tax?

Ah I know far far too many to know that's not true. In fact EVERY single ex pat (my parents have been ex pats for over ten years) I know has sent their kids home to Uni and they just don't tell about their ex pat status.

But people on under 50k have probably also had the same sort of things happen - income drop or even lost job

Shriieekk but it's not her responsibility to make up the shortfall is it?

The government are good at this. They get everyone blaming each other, squabbling about who is getting what and how unfair this and that is yet THEY are the ones taking the money away.

This is all circular isn't it?

If I have 100 donuts and Greedy pig Tony takes 95 why should the remaining hungry 50 of us fight over the last five between us? Why aren't we trying to get some more from Tony?

The Department of Work and Pensions is required to do an equalities impact assessment for any changes they make. It is piecemeal at the moment - this will impact on x in this way. There doesn' t seem to be an overall assessment for the bundled changes. I am suprised that there haven't been any legal challenges from specific groups. Limiting CB to the first 2 kids would disproportionately disadvantage groups who cultrally have large families. As would the universal credit which is capped at £450, especially in more expensive areas where a higher proportion of the family income would be required to pay for housing.
National Housing Federation and Shelter have done some work on it too.

ah well if you don't agree with the cuts AT ALL then that's a different thing. Fair enough. I'm coming at this from the point of view that cuts have to be made, it's just a matter of where. I don't know enough to know whether that is right or not.

PosieParker, that's nonsense. In order to claim Home status, you need to have been schooled in the UK for 3 years previously.

Ani - that's what I was trying to think of - an EIA - but that only looks at groups that could be discriminated against doesn't it?
I was thinking of that sort of thing, but maybe split by the acorn groups.

I absolutely object to the withdrawal of a universal benefit that is aimed to assist with the upbringing of children.

I don't care that the extremely wealthy get this benefit as well as those who are struggling. It is one of the three pillars of the welfare state that we have had for very many years and should be proud of. If one of the pillars is eroded then the whole thing will come crashing down.

It should never have been called 'benefit' in my view. The word allowance was far more accurate

Yep, they send their kids to private schools.

"getwiththeprogramme Thu 01-Nov-12 08:50:53
I have a question. Do people who think better off parents shouldn't get it also think those parents should pay for their child to attend state schools, see a GP, get books from the library? (or a means-tested contribution, if not the whole lot?) If not, I wonder what's the difference? "

No, I don't think they should pay to attend school, use library etc. Difference is state schools and libraries are institutions and services. No idea whether, based on the prices they set, people earning 50k could afford them.
CB is an amount of cash, which by definition is a lot less than people earning 50k take home.

getwiththeprogramme, because everybody who works pays for the NHS by way of 'insurance'.

I agree with posy:

'The real villains are not those on £100k, which is less than most people think after tax and NI, it is those very high earners who avoid tax by using off shore or clever accounting, it's ex pats who pay fuck all but send their kids to Uni here as a national or come home for the NHS, it's huge corporations who avoid tax.'

The government have no interest in dealing with these people.
We don't earn above £100 K btw.

So, people who think it should continue to be paid universally, who should make up the shortfall?

Clearly the worst affected are people on DLA

Yes they are Posie. 20%of genuinely disabled people are going to lose their DLA, that could be over £100 a week. This in turn could cause them to lose their jobs, have to get rid of their carers etc, but no one gives a shit! Everyone is up in arms about losing their CB "cause they pay tax"!

Priorities in this country are fucked up at the moment. If you earn £100k between you, you don't need"the state to buy the children's shoes" like the woman in the article said! But if you are disabled you need some extra help, but we're getting told tough shot, and it's not even getting an inch of media space!

And in case you hadn't noticed, libraries and leisure centres are being closed left right and centre. The NHS is being privatised while they think no one is looking. Schools are making huge cuts. These are disproportionately affecting people who earn under 50k whose children are less likely to attend private school, the family less likely to have private health insurance, less likely to have a room full of books and gym membership.

(Just before anyone says, I am NOT saying 50k is the point where you suddenly can afford to send your DC privately etc etc. Well aware this isn't the case)

Ah yes, the disabled. There's a group who, on the whole are wealthy and can afford to give up a few of their benefits.