To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

[TheHairyDieter]

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed

For a start, she is paying far more into the system than she takes back in CB.

Secondly, this is divide and rule by the government and people like you are too stupid to see it. CB makes everyone feel invested in the idea of a benefits system. Once you start excluding the 'wealthy' they begin to feel no association with the system and therefore lose sympathy when the poor and weaker members of society then have their benefits further cut. Which is the intention of a Tory government. This is is the thin end of the wedge.

Thirdly, the name of CB was changed from Family Allowance - that was no accident. It was intended as a tax relief, in recognition that raising children is both expensive and of long term benefit to the state. I making it a benefit, the government just made it easier to cut.

Calling someone a greedy bitch is horrible. Agree YABU for that alone.

Finally, you don't even live here. Until you do, I fail to see it is any of your business.

She can whine and moan About it because her outgoings are high, the country needs high earners to keep it going.

To earn over 5Ok you will have studied hard and got into debt.

It is all relative high wages high outgoings, perhaps if you stop turning on high earners beacuse you think they earn enough we would have some strength.

What Anifrangipani said.

"jobs that require a degree arent low paid FACT."

Many people with degrees are in low paid jobs. FACT

It really, really pisses me off when the "studied and worked hard for a living" line is reeled out!

Nurses haven't studied and worked hard then?

My DH who is coming up to 26 years service in the RAF and studying for yet another qualification, he's been sat on his arse, doing nothing all these years!

The person teaching your children in school today, they haven't bothered studying anything and sit filing their nails all day don't they?

There are loads and loads of people who studied and work hard for a living and earn a lot less than £50k. It is not discrimination at all!

"makes me sick that you have less you get more WTF whats the insentive to go and get a well paid job,"

Really? Really? You think those who have more, should be given more.

I don't agree with the term "greedy bitch"
But I do agree with getting rid of child benefit for higher earning families
Two problems - as she mentions herself, families where one parent earns £51k and the other is a SAHP - unfair that they should lose it when families who both earn £30k get to keep it
As others have said, CB was designed to be paid to the mother to give her a source of income away from a financially controlling partner. Not sure what the answer is there, but in times where everyone is having cuts made, it can't be to continue to pay the vast majority of families where the father is not abusive or controlling.
Do think the article was a bit pathetic- who will pay for my children's shoes now? Erm...you will.

and the attitude of "people like us who have paid in all our lives are getting a little back" is pathetic.

You are not being unreasonable. Benefits, tax breaks, whatever you want to call it should be for people who NEED them. She doesn't. Simple.

>100k per year wanting to take even more money from the public purse, at the expense of those less fortunate.
What do you mean take even more money?
You do know how much a person earning 100K pays in taxes pm don't you? And how much she gets in Child benefit?

Do a few sums OP and you'll find that she actually pays quite a few others CB and her own out of her own F'ing wages

FFS.

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But why does that mean she should get it back?

Because she is overtaxed in the first place?

which degree qualified jobs are that then?

Many people on this thread have completely missed the point of child benefit, and seemmunwilling have it explained to them.

seeker I do understand. But I don't agree that the vast majority of high earning families where the man is not abusive should get it.

YABU to say she's a greedy bitch, she is just taking what she is entitled to and will be a huge net contributor to the state. The CB that is taken from higher earners will not go into the pockets of the poor, but into the vast black hole of our collective debt. Universal benefits are ridiculous when the country's finances are in such poor shape, but it is not greedy to claim what the system says you are entitled to, and it's completely naive to think that by not claiming the money will be given to someone more in need.

Seriously people there is nothing to be gained by getting up in arms about this article. See it for what it is, a deliberately provocative rant designed to drive traffic and therefore advertising costs. The DM and I suspect this writer have absolutely no interest in the welfare of British citizens, they are hungry for clicks and cash. And you are all feeding into it.

karma interesting argument about wealthy engaement with benefits, hadn't thought of that.

Benefits and services are being cut left right and centre to save cash. I think means testing a previously universal benefit is fairly minor in the grand scheme of things.

dysfunctional, whether the article is valid or not, there are people who think like her, so the debate is still worth having.

I am sick of all of these threads. It always comes down to "you couldn't possibly understand.... "

It's either subjective and a massive bunfight. Or condescending and full of misinformation.

And the misinformation isn't the fault of any of the posters. It's because the whole thing is a bloody mess.

I am trying my best to avoid these threads because am a seeing a really nasty vicious side to some posters and I don't want to think of them that way.

I think everyone should get CB for the first 2 children. After that, you are on your own Jack. That would be fair. Alot of money would be saved across the board if this stance was taken. You are unemployed, don't have a third child. You are earning but not enough t support a third child, bollocks, your decision. Because without a stance it just goes on forever.

You miss my point mrs bucket xx. The people who are claiming benefit are working - just paid very badly. Are you saying you would like to see an income declaration for each and every person who smokes and drinks just to make sure they aren' t in receipt of any means tested benefit? Who would administer and pay for that? Shall we just ban any products we feel aren't for us. It is much cheaper and less of a tax burden. Then where do we draw the line - fags, drink, saturated fats (NHS costs), dryers, 4x4s, sports, too much food, disposable nappies, formula milk? Should vegetarians have the right to not pay for the benefit of meat eaters or should we remove meat from the tables of everybody.

I do think articles like that in the DM are just fuelling the fire though without and real content.