To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

[TheHairyDieter]

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed

Posie you forgot water(extortionate in some part of the country),various insurances,TV license,the fact many people have no choice but to pay over 1k in mortgage/rent for very little,many people have extortionate travel bills for work on top of running a family car.....

2 people on 25K each have also got more in the coffers each month due to paying less tax,why is it fair they don't lose anything?????

We have an income over 50k but when we had 2 DC in full time nursery, it would not have been worth my while to go back to work without CB. Without it I would not have gone back to work and would not have been much worse off. By working I paid into the system much more than I took out of it. I think the whole 'you earn xxx so must be well off' is not always that clear cut.

Now DC are both at school the CB has come in useful for paying for child care but is nowhere near as needed as it once was. In times of austerity I see that cuts need to be made. I just wish it was more fair in terms of household income (not that it makes a difference to us - we'd lose it either way). I just wish the majority of what I lose was actually saved and not wasted 'administering' the system...

I don't think anyone should lose anything, if everyone paid the right tax I'm not sure there would much to cut.

Oh woe is me, families survive on much less, because they have to. You wouldn't be fucked, you'd just have to cut back on things that maybe you think are necessary but aren't.

The fact of the matter is NO-ONE should be having anything taken from them, but they are. Everyone is going to be effected. And it's naive to think that you, members of the higher income families, shouldn't have anything taken.

Taking the CB away from people that can afford it (even though they think they can't) may result in another service not having to be cut or lowered. Which IMO is a good thing.

I think it's quite funny the uproar on this thread. Some of you haven't given a fuck when it's the poorer people who've been effected by things.

Sorry ghost who are you to say what people can or can't afford.Posie's list is real for many families and contains bills which have to be paid.

The fact is many families waaaay better off aren't losing anything.

The fact is those on 50-60K are getting less in their pockets than those on 2 incomes being paid the same,they're taxed more and funding other families having their salaries subsidized via TC.

It's utter madness and will save buggar all.Really hope they do extend it to joint household income next year and axe TC-then we can all lecture on what people can or can't afford.

All the things on Posies list can be downsized. £120 on phones and tv? Some families who depend on benefits can only dream of spending sums like that!

You've got used to the lifestyle these added benefits have given you, and if they are removed you'll just have to get used to it. As we all will. We will all be spending within our means, tightening our belts and in hindsight we'll realise how lucky we've been in the past

The only thing you could reduce are phones or Tv(we don't have either anyway,just 1 cheap very old car like many families we barely use).

If you live in an expensive area with high mortgae/rent/council tax and have huge commuting bills you have to keep paying.

Families in the middle rely on this money to live not the rich 100K families but the good old squeezed middle.

Sovery many kids are school age and the fact is 2X 25K get more in their pocket than 1 X 50K(with only 1 pension so perhaps higher pension contributions on top if they're sensible).

Well if you had 3 kids those on 2 X 25K are going to be nearly £600 better off a month than those on 1X 50K(doesn't even include the extra pension provision 1X should be paying) once CB goes so I'm guessing some of that could pay for wrap around.

If they're on 95K joint obviously they'll have a tad more for wrap around too.

That's assuming both jobs are 25K and not say 40K plus 10K with the 10K being part time-thus no wrap around.

Tis utter madness

Why on earth should people on the dole be given more, as a route into finding work? The logic of that escapes me totally
The "greedy bitch" in the article earns £100k, how much tax do you think she pays on that? Far more than your average claimant will receive as a benefit payment, you can bet on that. The idea that someone who is contributing nothing financially to society should be given more is completely ludicrous.

I don't really like this attitude that anyone earning over 50k is somehow privilidged? Any family who is earning this amount, whether it be two incomes or one, will be working bloody hard for it, long hours, probably commuting, stressful and pressured careers, little family time, and will likely deserve every penny they earn.

I have been thinking this through and I think OP you are being quite offensive too. Why post in AIBU if your post starts with "greedy bitch here"? Arguably by appearing in the daily fail ( and talking numbers ) that woman's asking for some negative press, but "greedy bitch"? Really?
Plus it's not like more CB will be paid once the CB recipients are reduced.

Isabelle.

Of course they deserve every penny they earn, after tax etc. What they don't need or shouldn't expect is welfare benefit which the new universal credit will be, and will include cb.

And what about the proposed capping of benefits to two children? Do you believe that is reasonable?

No I don't personally believe cb should be capped at 2 dc. The people who need cb don't need to lose it for subsequent dc.
It won't affect me as although I have 3 dc as from next year will only have one dc entitled to cb anyway. In fact none of the cuts affect me, I don't think.
However, there are greedy people out there who believe they are entitled to benefit and it stinks, when there are people in genuine need, they should be ashamed.
If it was taken from those who don't need it, there would be no need to cap it after 2 dc.

"I don't really like this attitude that anyone earning over 50k is somehow privilidged? Any family who is earning this amount, whether it be two incomes or one, will be working bloody hard for it, long hours, probably commuting, stressful and pressured careers, little family time, and will likely deserve every penny they earn."

Because hard work and stress always means a high salary, doesn't it?

I didn't say that seeker.

Yes, maybe they do deserve every penny they earn Isabelle, but do they also deserve a handout from our already struggling welfare state?

I thought CB was a universal benefit and not welfare(?).

Sorry about that budget, £50k is not our household income and so apologies if it looked rather extravagant.

I stand by the argument that until loopholes are closed, taxes for the super rich are actually gathered and we take from those that afford the biggest cut first then we can look to the mids and the poorer for extra. But I think it's rather sickening that some people are arguing for the cut to relatively low disposable income families when those will loads lose fuck all, ie those that can afford 'clever' accounting.

I am an additional rate tax payer (so no personal allowance etc), I also claim child benefit for my dcs. I wouldn't write an article in the daily fail moaning about child benefit being taken away, but equally it doesn't make me a greedy bitch to claim the money in the first place.

I always regarded the cb as a very small tax rebate.