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To be loving the Liz Jone and India Knight Feud?

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Vagabond · 30/10/2012 20:45

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2220669/Spouting-filth-s-VERY-strange-way-stick-free-speech.html

In which, middle class India Knight called la Liz everything under the sun on her nasty twitter diatribe of nonsense.

Schadenfreude, I know.

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EldritchCleavage · 05/11/2012 16:35

OK, fine. I stand corrected. It was the talk of the thread that she was coming on shortly for a webchat.

mignonette · 05/11/2012 17:00

Typical hypocritical op-ed from Indolent Knight in Sunday Times snarking at Pippa Middleton for her nepotism-facilitated book deal and lack of literary merit.

Because 'The Shops' was high art, wasn't it? And Indolent Knight was plucked off the streets because of sheer raw talent wasn't she?

SuePurblybilt · 05/11/2012 17:49

Helen, as an unrelated query, would that ^ account for one of the missing XF threads of Yore? The one where we decided that Michael Buble was likely to be a serial killing stalker type?
We did wonder where it went.

IndolentKnight · 05/11/2012 19:34

Hellair everyone!

...sorry, I couldn't help myself! Grin

Shelly32 · 05/11/2012 20:50

Umm.. India seems to think she's coming on. This is from her Twitter:

Still, doing Mumsnet chat next month. We can address all the exciting topics in detail, with emails. *laughs forever

Sounds charming!

SuePurblybilt · 05/11/2012 20:51

Maybe she has us confussed with the Other Place?
Imagine.

Shelly32 · 05/11/2012 20:52

Maybe..Now she's gone down even further in my estimation! Grin

Londonista1975 · 05/11/2012 21:26

She tweeted she was coming on here fr a webchat to someone last week.

Londonista1975 · 05/11/2012 21:42

I think that surely it would have been better to have deleted the offensive posts rather than the thread, like you've done here? A lot of posters made excellent points about mental health, which was the subject of her column that I indirectly linked to, via Alastair Campbell's blog post. Maybe I'm reaching for the stars here, but perhaps some people would have found some posts useful.

Or maybe two 'India bashing' threads were deemed as too many?

IndolentKnight · 05/11/2012 22:01

Perhaps she isn't now, so.

It would be funny if nobody showed up and asked a question at the webchat , if there is a webchat that is...

Londonista1975 · 05/11/2012 22:04

I'm wondering if she was supposed to but mysteriously pulled out last week...

mignonette · 06/11/2012 10:01

indolent

Excellent idea- spread the word. Let's turn silent and deadly.

shooz27 · 22/11/2012 18:52

Hi, Sali Hughes here. A member of my FB group told me about this.

To be clear, I did not accuse anyone who disagrees with India of being 'a troll'. I was referring very specifically to the tweeter who made accusations that India was somehow ashamed of her Pakistani mother and that this had prompted her to change her name. There are some entries here that echo this sentiment. I considered it to be trolling because it's horribly personal and mean and completely untrue. India has spoken about her mother publicly very often and is extremely open and proud of both her family and her ethnic origin. She has also been open about the reasons for changing her name which are personal, much less sinister than some of you seem to think, and very much her own business (by the way, there's no cover up - her real name is all over the internet). I myself am from a blended family - as I'm sure are many of you - and I think it's unkind to start speculating on why someone might carry their stepfather's name.

As for Liz Jones, my feelings are irrelevant. Was India's outburst warranted, or wrong? It's completely fair game that you all have an opinion and a right to express it. But at least Liz and India have known each other for a very long time and India's outburst came after umpteen references by Liz Jones to India's personal life in her column. Whether she was right to or not to tweet it is one thing, that doesn't change the emotions behind her actions, which are in my view, completely understandable.

I find it extremely ironic that this is a thread made up of very many insulting comments towards someone whose perceived crime is being 'bitchy' on a public forum. Extraordinarily hypocritical. Insulting another mum because you think she's too heavy? REALLY? Come on. And as for hating on people for being middle class, it's just too ridiculous. Accusing her friends of being scared of her? Based on what? We are grown women for goodness' sake. It's nice to hear some support for India here, as well as some disagreement, but some of these comments are just poisonous, mean spirited and without any understanding of the situation with Liz Jones.

If you think it's unreasonable or precious of me to come on here and defend someone I love, I'm afraid I make no apologies for it. India is an extremely kind person, a loyal and caring friend and a fantastic mother (and no, not remotely snobby) who is completely unrecognisable in many of these posts. Journalist or not, I think if you read such horrible things about someone you care deeply about, then I suspect most of you would say something.

As for the insult directed at me about my job. Jesus - we're laughing at women for writing about beauty now? The commenter's shameless spite and sexism is embarrassing.

Sali

ThePathanKhansWitch · 22/11/2012 19:08

I have no idea who you are Sally, but good for you sticking up for a pal.
I wouldn,t have thought Ms Knight needed anyone to stick up for her.
I still think the comments about L.J were purile and vicious.

shooz27 · 22/11/2012 19:14

Thank you. I think it's a mistake to think someone is incapable of being hurt by such nastiness. Personal comments - especially when completely untrue - hurt anyone, irrespective of their profession or public profile. I also think it's a shame that even as recently as the Mumsnet conference, LJ was still making inaccurate references to India's private life on stage. It's hideous. I'm not surprised India snapped that once. I think it's a miracle it was only once.
But as I say, completely fine to think she was wrong. Less fine to pile on a load of personal (and wrong) stuff for good measure. At least those two know each other very well and have their reasons. To heap bile on someone one knows nothing about, and to speculate that they are ashamed of their own mother, is less easy to defend.
Sali x

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shooz27 · 22/11/2012 19:26

Sorry, so your reasoning is it's perfectly fine for strangers to publicly accuse a woman of being ashamed of her family and ethnic origin, of being fat and a load of other stuff because she and a former friend have been childish and undignified? I simply don't understand your reasoning on this one at all. "They were childish and unpleasant towards each other so we'll be vile on completely unrelated topics". Just don't get it at all.
By the way, ever snapped at someone and said something you regret? I have. Thankfully I wasn't on a website when it happened, but I can understand how it could occur. It's not great and should probably be avoided, but it happens. I don't see how it declares open season for strangers to pile in and insult you in the most personal and inaccurate manner.
Sali

shooz27 · 22/11/2012 19:31

Logging off now. I've said what I wanted - to point out that many of these comments are factually incorrect - and it's fine by me that people disagree with me. Just know that these very personal things that are said publicly on here are always heard by the people they refer to. It's not like gossiping in a friend's front room, it's far nearer to going up to a stranger in the street and calling them fat or accusing them of being ashamed of their mother. It's completely public. I'd suggest that if you wouldn't say it to someone straight, then don't say it on here and think for one minute it's any different. But if you would, then I guess that's between you and your conscience.

Pinot · 22/11/2012 19:33

Sali Hughes?!

ThePathanKhansWitch · 22/11/2012 19:45

I,ve just googled sali hughes. I,m no good with names and a bit dim.
Sali can you not do a cheapo column one wweek? I know you try to cover all pockets, even still.
.

Pinot · 22/11/2012 19:49

Sali did, not long ago - she did Beauty Heroes for under a Tenner. It's on the Guardian website still. Essentially it was Elnett, Revlon Red nail polish, Neutrogena Body Lotion and (I think) Astral face cream.

Not that I am obsessed with her or anything

Vagabond · 22/11/2012 19:50

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ThePathanKhansWitch · 22/11/2012 19:55

Ta Pinot.off to have a butchers.

We better stop before this is moved to s&b.Grin

Vagabond · 22/11/2012 19:56

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