To be annoyed when people think communism is bad?

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Not 'communism' in places like Cuba and Korea which has some sort of dictator, which a lot of people appear to think is real communism.

Why does there seem to be this ignorance?! Do people not research the things they believe in?! Karl Marx would be turning in his grave if he saw the state of some of these 'communist' countries. Surely, the images of heaven (that I see in jehovahs witness leaflets, where everyone is happy and eating breakfast with lions etc) is a communist idea! Everyone is equal, no money, no state, no class system.

I get that the sort of communism we see can be awful, but real true communism isn't bad at all!

I never realised before that true Communism meant I would get to have breakfast with lions. I shall amend my views forthwith.

Erm....what?

Which is the good communism ignorant people should be focussing on instead? Which country?
And where can i have breakfast with a lion - I've only ever had tiger over for tea.

(iirc) Karl Marx sent his kids to private schools, lived in a hovel but obsessed about keeping up appearances. I can't make sense of anything he is supposed to have believed.

Errr what? I think that people are perfectly entitled to dislike what real life communism is. I have to say I can't think of a single communist country that works well.

Can a giraffe come for brunch?

So are the animal keepers at the safari park communists if they eat their bacon butties in the lion enclosure?

Communism is an idealistic concept that is unworkable in practice, as demonstrated by every communist country in the world.

What nocake said.

I get that it hasn't worked in practice, which is awful (I wouldn't mind living without money and the government and sharing everything I had with everyone so we could all live happily) but isn't heaven a communist place? Where everything happens harmoniously and everyone is equal and gets on?

Show me a country where communism works, and I will happily go and live there.

Because people don't understand what it is and think that what we've seen of countries in the world who claim to be communist/socialist actually are.

When you read what it is, you realise that we've never had it.

Well, maybe many many thousands of years ago, when we were little tribes working together.

But not since then.

It's a lovely, lovely idea, but I think human beings are just too selfish to ever embrace a true socialism.

in the ideal world communism could work but there would always need to be someone to take decisions, hence defeating the whole idea of the concept. orwells' 'animal farm' is a very thought provoking book on the subject.

Personally, while I think the idea of Communism is a lovely one, and works well on
a small scale. It doesn't work at all on a large one.

There is nothing to aspire to, and humans need to aspire to things, to change and grow. Those with the ability to make large amounts of money to trickle down will almost always leave a sysytem unless theyhave incentives to stay.

From everyone according to their abilities: To everyone according to their need is fine for running a family, but horribly corruptable and inmpractical for running a state.

I want less state control, not more.

Communism in practice has almost always (can you tell me otherwise? ) ended badly for the majority of the population (opression, corruption, large-scale murder) so it's no wonder most people think it's bad. YABU

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And (hopefully this works) this is where you can have breakfast with lions.

Paradise park's lion had to be put down following an illness. I'm not sure you can have breakfast with them anymore.
www.pwpark.com/experiences/big_cat_experiences/breakfast_with_big_cats

Are you sure that's a lion? It looks like a half-finished wood sculpture to me.

It doesn't work as people always want to aspire to be better off than others.

What's all the animal crap?

The reality of communism, which has the principle of 'everyone is equal', is that in every example ever, some have ended up being more equal than others.

It doesn't work in practice because central control doesn't react to the needs of a population. People starve while the wrong things are made.

Nobody has any incentive to make things work better as they get no reward for the time and effort they put in and indeed could get into trouble for it.

Small groups where everyone knows each other like a kibbutz or commune can work in a communist way. The trouble is that it only takes a few mean or lazy people to spoil it for everyone.

I've studied communism as a concept not just the countries that have tried to put it in practice. In my view, while it sounds like a nice idea, it doesn't allow for human traits, everywhere it's been tried it's not been possible without force on a large scale. It only seems to work in practice on very small scale (as in, small commuities of less than 200). It also only seems to work when everyone involved has actively chosen it, and then the next generation has to chose it too.

I also think Marx failed miserably to understand what would happen in capitalist countries would be the rise of the middle classes.

There is also a bear picking berries (I think, im on my phone and can't see it all that well)

But yeah, definitely a real lion, I would say.

Communism in it's idealistic form simply does not work, it is human nature to want to be better, to want more, to work harder than the next man in order to gain greater rewards.

Communism is a lovely idea but when you put humans into the equation the whole thing falls apart.

The human race at the moment is too greedy and selfish for it to ever work.

When it comes down to it most people, despite what they spout, make decisions that work for them rather than the greater good.

Someone I know is really self-righteous about his left-leaning views and then fiddles his taxes so he pays less than he really should. It makes me so angry that I can't talk to him about it or we will stop being friends (since he's married to my oldest friend this would make life difficult!)