to think capping benefits at 2 children is a good idea

[moogstera1]

Child-related benefits may be 'capped' at two children"
*Iain Duncan Smith said the current system, where families get more benefits the more children they have, was among changes being considered.

Families on benefits were often "freed from" the decision of whether they could afford more children, Mr Duncan Smith said, and must "cut their cloth".*

yes yes, before I get jumped on, if both your arms fall off and a previously hard working wage earner is jobless, there should be ( and I imagine would be)a safety net for those who then need benefits and have more than 2 chidren; but, in principle, I agree that working families seem to have to make much more difficult decisions regarding how many children they have than long term non working do, and it's mostly about finance.
The suggestion is that this would not be happening till 2015 and then only to new claimants so no comments about which children should be sacrificed, please.
The idea seems to be to only factor in 2 children wrt tax credits, child benefit

' don't agree with this idea. Society is so utterly unfair, that as far as I'm concerned, if the rich (many of whom haven't worked for their riches) can knock as many children out as they like, so should poorer people. Of course it would be better if everyone had no more than 2 (ideally 1) children, but the same "rules" should apply across the board. '

Great point badgeroncaffeine

I thought so

jellybeans!

If the ''rules'' are going to apply across the board, then the rich will be given free money too then, no?

Or the ones who can't afford their children will be given nothing right? Just the same as the ones who can afford it.

After all, the same rules should apply across the board!

Have listened, read and thought and have a simple solution.

All men have to have a vasectomy before second pregnancy goes to term. Enforced by custodial sentence. No buts, no excuses.

And here's the best bit, a universal policy, regardless of income

Having children isn't a right it's a right it's a responsibility. In the town near me I see lots and lots of young girls with babies in very nice buggies( much better than the second hand crappy one we had).

My own niece has 2 kids and she does work, feckless twat if a boyfriend does not and plays computer games all day. They get housing benefit, endless other handouts and yes it does stick in my throat as we both work full time to support our 4 kids, 2 in uni.

It seems to me that our country isn't divided into the haves and the have nots it's divided by the lazy feckless entitled grabbing clever ones and the hard working just surviving money managing ignored majority.

Agree with you op.

Haven't read all thread.BUT...what about people who have more than 2 children and then find themselves unemployed etc? It is happening to more and more people.

hilarious so if the money is already stretched then what is stretching it that little bit more, your right they will and good parents will go with out, or bills wont get paid. suicides will probably go up as well as people more and more just dont know were to turn or what to do for the children that they love.
or you know maybe they wont care because they are all feckless fag smoking, druggies that watch jeremy kyle.

you can't do that nametakenagain, human rights and all that, oh wait ... the ConDems want to scrap the human rights act. As you were.

and if vasectomy fails?

All men have to have a vasectomy

Brilliant idea, it should be rolled out in Westminster first to see if it will have the desired effect of stopping these nasty elite toads from spawning.

Interesting nametaken. So, what would that achieve then?

It would stop feckless men from breeding.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos
You're just not getting this are you? The rich have already been "given free money". How do you think they became rich? Mainly, it was at the expense of the rest of us, either now or in previous generations. There are one or two exceptions who have worked for it, but the majority simply shafted the rest of us.

AThingInYourLife
I wouldn't use big words like 'totalitarian' umtil you know what they mean. Either that or you must think the jobcentre is North Korea. They asked me about pretty much everything.

Seriously, has anyone got anything useful/constructive/interesting to say? Bullshit tribal-politics may be easy, but it doesn't help anyone.

OP, YANBU - each and every one of us needs to decide whether we can have a child based upon affordability. And please tell me I'm the only one who's not gone in to a second pregnancy praying it's not twins because of how much it would've made things difficult.

I'd also argue frankly that if that few quid a week means you "can't have a child" then you couldn't afford it anyway.

Erm, yeah ok then. You know that about all rich people do you?

My own niece has 2 kids and she does work, feckless twat if a boyfriend does not and plays computer games all day. They get housing benefit, endless other handouts and yes it does stick in my throat as we both work full time to support our 4 kids, 2 in uni.

She won't get endless handouts. HB, CTB, CTC and possibly WTC depending on how much she earns and the hours she works.

Both you and your DH work, and you have 2 kids in university yet you're jealous of a poor young woman living with a deadbeat but still working and showing her DCs a good example.

Good grief.

How about not giving middle class and upper class children, why should these cuts hit the poor?? How about capping childcare costs , so that people can actually afford good child care for the children and go back to work.

and yeah outraged you know all the people on benefits.

how about not giving middle and upper class children child benefit?? is what i meant to say [hblush]

Well wages have been in decline for the past 30 years, no wonder family size is shrinking.

Maybe we will all get to a point where none of us, even if in work can afford to have ANY children.

The capitalist has always paid enough to keep a workers at subsistence level and enough for him to reproduce........but now we have a labour surplus with a rising tide of unemployed people. So mr capitalist doesn't want his workers to have babies.

MrsBethel - you were advocating a system whereby the facts around a pregnancy would need to be investigated by the government and they woukd get a say in your choice of contraception.

That's not currently the kind of thing the job centre does at the moment.

Now is it?

:o

I guess if you think "totalitarian" is a big word you should find someone dumber than you to patronise.

I'm to trying to pretend that I do! That's the difference.

hakunamatata8
They're already doing that.