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to have sobbed my heart out at work today because I shouldn't have to do this

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caniscantanymore · 17/10/2012 20:53

I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this :(

OP posts:
zombieplanmum · 18/10/2012 10:58

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Never become an owner of any animal until you can fulfil all of its requirements, physically and mentally, for the rest of its life!"

I dont know who said this upthread, and i do totally agree with it, but none of us have a crystal ball - things happen, people get sick, lose jobs, children get sick etc etc, so many things can and do go wrong, none of us can 100% guaruntee to be able to do this. I adore my dogs and would do anything for them, can't imagine EVER giving them up or heaven forbid, PTS but what if I loose my house? what if we can't find a LL to rent to people with pets, what if we can't get council accomodation and have to rent privately - then what do i do? This wasn't even a faint possiblity for me when i got my dogs, but it is now something that i can't rule out - my DPs work has dried up and we are behind with the mortgage, i can't find work although have just started part time cleaning job but it pays 7 an hour and i only get an hour a day :( I would not have predicted this.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 10:59

This is the thread I made although my invisibility cloak may make it hard to see Wink

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 10:59

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_doghouse/1590658-MN-Campaign-for-Regulation

Sorry forgot to paste

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 11:04

Even when he is driving me demented and a little bit of me thinks 'oh, how simple life would be if you were not here', there is no way we'll give up on him. He's family

Oh I can so relate to this. With RottDog so ill at the moment things are becoming quite hard at home. MuttDog seems to be sensing it all - she is very subdued at the moment, DD is sad, DH getting frustrated and I'm very tired. But we don't want to let her go yet. She has more good days than bad, and we are taking each day as it comes. She is costing me a fortune - her patches alone are £25.00 a day.

But she's family. We won't PTS until we have to, until she needs to go.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 11:05

Grimm,

All the vet had to do was say 'No, I will not kill a healthy, young dog'.

It is then up to the owner to find a solution. At the end of the day, the dog was in no pain and not a threat to anyone. Why make it easier for owners to get rid of dogs so easily? Did the vet give the owner a list of possible rescue centres or websites to call? Did she refer him to a behaviouralist? Will she refuse to put his next dog to sleep?

Fwiw, I do not think professional breeders (aka for profit centres) should be allowed to breed dogs. We will then just get dogs of the latest fashion that wealthy people are willing to pay for. That is a scary thought.

I think the solution is to ban the selling of dogs for money. And ban the exchange of money for killing a dog. Kill the incentive on both end, which allow dogs to be treated as commodities, to be bought and killed at will.

It will then be hard to find a dog to adopt and hard to kill one down the road. It takes a lot of money and effort to rear puppies and most people will not do it if there was no financial incentive, and hence people will not be able to get a dog so easily. If vets are not paid to kill an animal, I imagine they will only do so in the most necessary circumstances. And so it won't be so easy to get rid of dogs. End result -fewer dogs born and fewer dogs killed unnecessarily .

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 11:05

The puppy I have in atm has had a life that almost mirrors the pup in this OP, except he was dumped at the pound because the owner could not face making the choice to put him to sleep himself. He had 7 days to find a new home. 7 days that would spent in terror, in a cold, wet kennel with minimal human interaction and only very basic care. After those 7 days he would have been pts anyway.

He was one of the very, very, very few (and the number who are saved is minute compared to those who are not saved) dogs who were lucky enough to find a rescue space.

Has now been in my care for almost three months, even though he is a puppy, because we have to be honest about his history and behaviour, meaning no-one has the time for him.

This means the next dog who comes into the pound like him, will not be so lucky because their potential space is already taken. They'll spend their 7 days cold, scared, lonely and most likely stressed and hungry and then they'll be killed. That is the reality. That is why OP felt in this particular case she had no choice.

Things are not as simple as you'd like them to be Flatbread. People will always find a way to dispose of their dogs if they are so inclined. There are simply not enough rescue spaces to save them all. I wish there were, but there aren't.

Again I would implore anyone who has been disgusted by the treatment of this dog and saddened by the outcome to do something to help. Adopt, foster, donate, volunteer or 'promote' rescues and their dogs. There is always a way to help, no matter how short of time or money you are. Even the smallest gesture can make a big difference. It's all well and good posting on a thread like this, but at the end of the day only action will inspire change. Words alone will not help these dogs.

Hullygully · 18/10/2012 11:08

People should have to pass a stringent exam efore they are allowed pets (and children)

Takver · 18/10/2012 11:11

"It is then up to the owner to find a solution. "

What if that solution is just to dump the dog? That's what happened where we used to live.

Lovethesea · 18/10/2012 11:14

So sorry you had to do this but I think you chose the path of least suffering for that dog. I have a rescue cat, would love dogs but work and have small kids and know I don't have time to be here for it.

Going round the rescue homes looking at desperate faces is heartbreaking. At least that dog was spared months or years of hope being crushed as another person walked past their pen. If there were more homes out there, more people with a spare acre or a job for the dog to do great. Rehome and retrain them all.

But you work in real life and I think you did the best you could for that dog. Sometimes quality of life is more important than quantity.

thevetswife · 18/10/2012 11:18

Flatbread,

"It is then up to the owner to find a solution. "

Ever seen a young pup with a two day old sub-fatal hammer blow to the skull?

How about a sack of drowned puppies?

Or a shot that misses? Or a yorkshire terrier used as a bait dog?

These are all cases that DH has been involved with for legal reasons

It's not the vet's fault that the owner is irresponsible. The vet has a responsibility for welfare which doesn't always mean life. I'm prepared to bet that any one of those animals would have preferred a swift death than what they had to go through.

Apologies everyone. I'm a bit vexed and will hide the thread.

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 11:18

There is known 'dumping ground' for dogs in our town. It is notorious for it. It's well known that people drive from miles around to dump their dogs there. The Police now feel the need to regularly patrol the area, taking details of dog walkers and their dogs, to try and control the situation.

I know of several walkers who have found dogs there. We have one in our care who we found there. Again, now he is with us, we have no space to keep the next one we find. Although it will end up in the pound over my dead body Smile

People tie dogs up outside of rescues and pounds because they've been told there is no space or because they don't have the guts to walk in and admit that they are giving up their dog. People drown, strangle or starve their dogs and hide the body.

A lot of people know someone who knows someone who has a gun and will 'dispose' of your unwanted or sick pet in the local woods. It does happen.

Someone desperate enough will find a way to get rid of their dog if vets refuse to help. Some even prefer to kill their dog over approaching a rescue because they 'love' the dog 'too much' to see it spend it's life in rescue.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 18/10/2012 11:22

God, I can't think of anything worse than making 'getting rid' of an animal solely the owners problem. Awful things would happen to the animals. Not everyone is decent, not everyone wants to think through the consequences of their actions (Don't get me started on the back garden chicken keepers that decide to hatch a few eggs, then release the cockerels in to 'the wild' Hmm because they can't face a quick, clean cull.)

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 11:23

Takver, the owner might have dumped the dog, he might not.

Yes there is a chance that he may not have been rescued. But there is a very good chance that he might have. Ffs, there are hundreds of rescue dogs that find a good home

Do you really think it is ok for a vet to kill a young health dog within 20 minutes of meeting it?

Is this the right message to send to owners -you can't be arsed to rehome your dog and I will just kill it for you. 50 quid please.

Both owner and vet morally satisfied that they have done right by the dog...Hmm

wordfactory · 18/10/2012 11:25

Every year abandonned dogs get run over and die in agony. Or choke on things they scavenge from bins.

Do we really want more abandonned dogs because vets refuse to PTS?

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 11:26

There isn't a very good chance the dog would have found rescue Flatbread. The people with the experience to deal with dogs like this already have one or two that they are looking after and have no more room.

Rescue is in crisis all around the country because there is no more room.

There is a good chance the dog would have been sold on Gumtree to an even more unsuitable, dumped, shot or ended up in the pound before being pts

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 11:28

People tie dogs up outside of rescues and pounds because they've been told there is no space

Oh yes, this is very true. MuttDog was found with her sibs in a sports bag that was left in the Rescue car park. It was very lucky that a visitor noticed the noise coming from the bag, as the bag was right next to the bins Sad

Rescues are full. No-kill rescues are suffering and having to rethink their stance. There are 3 times the amount of Foster Homes being used currently than there were 2 years ago. It's shit.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 11:30

Yuck, just looked at Gumtree, full of designer puppies and teenage Sharpeis and Huskies etc

LookBehindYou · 18/10/2012 11:30

There are so many arses in this world. Poor dog. Completely agree DOoin - they live miserable lives and then it ends. I'm sorry OP - a horrible side to your job which you probably didn't expect to do when you were studying.

PerryCombover · 18/10/2012 11:34

oi Flatbread

Do you think you are achieving anything by this?
More importantly what are you hoping to achieve?

It's clear the vet rightly found she had a really difficulty putting the animal to sleep
She is expressing her exasperation and distress at being used professionally in a situation that really shouldn't ever arise.

given the same set of circumstances she would have to behave in the same way. Although you vaguely claim otherwise there was no magical offer of shelter or home there for the animal.

The OP's post might make someone think about whether they have really thought through all the aspects of purchase and living with an animal into old age posterity etc

your post, as far as I can tell, serves no purpose other than to try to make her feel worse about an already terrible aspect of her job.
try to show some empathy

saffronwblue · 18/10/2012 11:34

canis what a tough day at the office for you. It must be so hard to be put in this position as a professional who is trained to save and enhance lives. You did the right thing. You have also written a very powerful OP which I hope gets wide circulation.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 11:34

I have had kittens stuffed through my letterbox. The thing is people feel noble by rescuing animals but don't have the means to do anything so they come to the "animal people". I get abuse from people who ring me saying they have seen a pack of wild dogs and I don't jump in my car and bring them to my house.
This is always going to be someone's problem and sadly people involved with rescue often are expected to take the dog off someone's hands and relieve their conscience. Often I find people don't really care what happens next, their work is done leaving us with even more animals we can't rehome.

LookBehindYou · 18/10/2012 11:35

Flatbread do you think the owner would have been responsible or have sold it to a wannabe big guy who then gets frustrated with a difficult but not violent to order dog and beats it, is mean, teaches it bad habits and then sells it on to a guy in the pub? Big dog, not too violent is a perfect bait dog.

KellyElly · 18/10/2012 11:36

When I win the Euromillions I'm going to set up a massive animal sanctuary to take all the animals in this situation. OP your job must be very hard. I wanted to be a vet when I was younger but knew I wouldn't be able to put animals to sleep.

missymoomoomee · 18/10/2012 11:36

Flatbread I find your judgement of the op quite hypocritical considering you were careless enough to let your dog get pregnant (no doubt because you didn't want to line the pockets of evil vets). You do know YOU contributed to situations like this with your feckless attitude towards getting your dog neutered.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 18/10/2012 11:36

Terribly sad post. Personally I think part of the problem lies with the big animal charities. We got our dog before TTCing, but knew kids were on the horizon. I made some initial enquiries at RSPCA and DogsTrust about finding a rescue dog, but it seemed virtually impossible to find a dog they would be happy to rehome in a house with babies - hopefully - imminent. So we bought a puppy from a breeder, and he's been utterly brilliant with the babies.
When we started TTCing I came onto MN and learnt about independent rescues and other options, and realise we probably could have given a home to a dog that needed it, but I just didn't know that at the time. That must happen to lots of families.