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to have sobbed my heart out at work today because I shouldn't have to do this

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caniscantanymore · 17/10/2012 20:53

I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this :(

OP posts:
theodorakis · 18/10/2012 11:39

Intersting that ALL dogs for homing on Gumtree (the American Bulldogs, Akita, Huskies etc) are "perfect with kids and dogs"

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 11:43

No Dooing. There are rescues that are taking in dogs, especially those that are young, healthy and without any major behavioural issues. Like I said, I know of two in Scotland who are doing so.

And it is possible elsewhere as well. I had called up one in Carlyle for a lady who had gotten abuse in the DogHouse, as she was unable to take care of her dog. This was an old dog with health problems and an undesirable breed, and yet the first rescue I called in Carlyle said they were taking in dogs, and asked if that poster could bring her dog over to meet.

The first option should be to see if the family can keep the dog, with getting the right training support. Second port port of call should be to explore rescue options thoroughly. Only if there is absolutely no alternative, should the dog be killed.

I am all for micro-chipping dogs, and heavily fining owners who abandon their dogs.

Similarly, vets should have a strong onus to check that the owner has tried all options before killing a healthy dog. And refuse to kill otherwise.

Yes, there will be extreme examples of people who will do horrible things otherwise. But there will be a good number who will do the right thing because they are forced to do so, and there are no easy/convenient options of having a vet kill their dog.

ladymariner · 18/10/2012 11:47

Feeling sick at the thought of bait dogs........sad

ladymariner · 18/10/2012 11:48

Ffs Sad

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 11:48

I cannot believe that we allow people to kill animals so lightly.

Why not? We bring them into the world just as lightly?

I would love it if there was a magical way to sterilise cats and dogs pretty from birth. Then they could only legally be sold if they were neutered.

It is not hard to kill an animal either. It really, really isn't. So better it is killed as painlessly and professionally as possible.

ladymariner · 18/10/2012 11:53

And I think we should just treat flatbread posts with the contempt they deserve as they are clearly designed to just wind up and infuriate the posters on here who don't live in a fantasy world.....a fantasy world where everyone loves dogs and treats them well and don't ill-treat them and abandon them, a world in which it's ok not to neuter your own dog and behave responsibly because there are homes galore for each and every one.......Angry

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 11:56

lady, just ignore, its purely done to antagonise.

Flatbread may well be an "expert" on dogs and rescuing, but she has shown time and time again she does not know people.

hindsight is 20:20 I would have loved to have seen how she would have got the owner to take the animal back. Or found a willing rescue within 30 minutes. Or what measures she would take to prevent a hammer to the skull in the garage.

GrimmaTheNome · 18/10/2012 12:01

He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. ...the third owner in its short life cried into his fur'

The owner had tried, doesn't sound like he went to the vet lightly. Maybe the rescues with places aren't easy enough for people to find when they need them (maybe thats why they have places?)

Sounds like one of the things that's needed is a widely accessible database of rescues with availability of places.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 12:13

I don't understand how I am being hypocritical. My dog had puppies. I kept one and found good homes for the rest. I had many offers to buy the pups, but I refused. I am not kidding, So many people (the plumber, our neighbour, DH's colleague etc.) wanted to buy our beautiful puppies. I preferred to work with a reputable dog homing group on this, and the puppies were only shown to very select families and were homed within a couple of days. The owners paid for the vaccinations and I gave a hefty donation to the group for their expertise in helping me identify good families.

My dogs are neutered now, and my pup gives us so much joy, just as the others are giving to their carefully chosen families. All this is irresponsible because...?

Ah, I forgot, only breeders are supposed to sell dogs for money. That is the responsible thing. And vets are supposed to kill young healthy dogs willy-nilly. That is also the responsible thing.

pigletmania · 18/10/2012 12:20

Flatbread I just don't know what you are saying. There isent this wonderful dog utopia that all unwanted dogs can go to, it does not exist. I am sure op in her rofessional capacity knows what the alternative, that there isent one, it does not exist. It's not just one solitary dog, a lot of unwanted pets are brought in by owners incapable of looking after them, the centes around op area may be full and nit able to take the dogs coming to her. She has her reasons fgs. The alternative is to just leave them to the elements, poison or drown them. Pts is the most humane way

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 18/10/2012 12:20

grimma the database would have to work in real time and that would mean that someone somewhere has to input all the information for all rescues and every santuary/rescue/pound would all have to work on one linked database with same software. FFS we cant even get this sorted out for the NHS in the UK for people, so what chance do we have for our animals? Sad

higgle · 18/10/2012 12:20

.... and you created a situation where there were x number less of homes available for homeless dogs because you decided to breed a litter.

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 12:21

Way to re-write history! You do know your original thread is still available don't you?

pigletmania · 18/10/2012 12:22

The best solution as I have said up thread is government policy so that people need a license to own a dog, this will weed out thse who would be incapable of looking after one

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 18/10/2012 12:24

Vets dont kill dogs willy-nilly flatbread what a ludicrous thing to suggest.

All of us who foster/rescue etc dont have unlimited time/space and for every dog we take in and end up keeping means that somewhere another is waiting in kennels until a space is available again in foster care.

You have contributed to the problem because you bred puppies and although you 'gave them away to good families' who's to say that those lovely families wont struggle with the pup and have it PTS or allow their little darling to breed by mistake and perpetuate the situation again... and so the puppy cycle continues.

missymoomoomee · 18/10/2012 12:24

Its hypocritical because you talk about vets sending the right message about giving an easy solution, didn't you expect the dogs trust (or whoever you eventually used) to give you an easy solution to your irresponsibility by rehoming the pups for you? Is that the right message for them to send out - 'Its ok if you let your dog get pregnant even though there is an easy way to prevent it, we will spend £££ on rehoming the pups for you'

Its also hypocritical because the homes that your pups went to would have taken in other pups, freeing up space in the centres, therefore giving dogs like the one OP talks about a better chance of finding a space.

Dress it up all you like, tell your lies stories about massive donations and working as a fosterer or volunteer or whatever. It doesn't change the fact that you have contributed to the situation dogs like this are in now with your selfish attitude to getting your dog neutered.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 18/10/2012 12:25

piglet a dog licence wont help, a breeding licence wont help - because we have those already, people circumvent the 'rules' and back yard breeders exist.

wildfig · 18/10/2012 12:27

There are no spaces in most local rescues. And there are even fewer owners willing to take on an untrained half-grown dog. The options then, for the owner who is desperate to get rid of their animal, are limited - if I were a vet, presented with this horrible situation, I would rather break my heart and euthanise the dog then and there, than know that at best it faced being passed from home to home until it bit, and was PTS, or was turned loose far from home to spend 7 distressing days in the pound, followed by another vet's needle. Or much much worse, was 'rehomed' via Gumtree and found its way into the hands of evil people looking for dog fighting bait.

OP, I am Sad for you.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 12:32

For a start the Government could do way more to educate people and make their websites more interactive. I have been looking through the website and found that you only have to be 16 to get a dangerous dog exemption. Surely their simplistic plain website could be zazzed up for not much money, have links to advice and generally be user friendly?
www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 12:32

Oh, yes,lt. Please feel free to link to the original thread.

And no, I did not take a place from another dog, as there was a waiting list for puppies, and they did not have many, as people people sell them for profit, instead.

And they have space for older dogs as well. As do another dog charity I contribute to. So there is space, especially for young, healthy dogs. And fostering options as well.

I don't understand why I am abused in every dog related thread. I don't abuse people who buy dogs from breeders, or perpetuate breeds that are harmful for dogs health. Or bring their dog up in silly ways and then complain when it chews the kitchen and sofa and is out of control.

It is bullying behaviour to stalk a poster and abuse them for things you don't personally like in past threads. We would never allow this in other parts -oh, you have four children, why do you talk about recycling and saving our earth, hypocritical, eh? Or you breast fed/ffs three years ago, I don't like that so you have no right to talk about nursery choices or whatever.

Lovely place, Mn would be then Hmm

zombieplanmum · 18/10/2012 12:38

Why the fuck are people derailing this thread!!! The OP wrote a very moving post about a position that vets find themselves in every single day. They can't just wave a magic wand and find homes for these pets who often through peoples ignorance are going to be pretty much unhomable. Sometimes it is the kinder option, but doesn't make it any easier to do! Please can you focus on the problem and how things can be changed to combat this. I personally think that "designer" puppies have a lot to answer for as it opens the door for backyard breeding wide open. My friend has an adorable labradoodle, she bred from her and all was well, she vetted homes etc, provided insurance etc, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth when the rescues are having to turn dogs away. Those dogs usually end up PTS.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 18/10/2012 12:41

Flatbread, did you really let your dog have puppies and give them to a rescue for homing?? You do realise that there are not infinite places for unwanted dogs in rescue centres. I hope you also realise that not all rescues are 'no-kill'. Those puppies you irresponsibly bred took spaces that could have been used to rehome other dogs.

And yet you're preaching in a nasty way to the OP about her 'moral' choice?

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 12:41

Really, I think the people who contribute to this situation are those
A) that breed dogs for money
B) buy dogs for money and perpetuate the business
C) vets who aid/abet this by killing healthy animals needlessly, thus perpetuating the belief that dogs are commodities.

It might be un-pc to say, but it is a fact. You ca discredit me as much as you like, but there is a reason why op was feeling terrible. Because she was uneasy in her conscience about it.

And anyone reading this thread who might need to rehome their dog, please don't make killing it your first option. There are dog-centres who will take it on. Call around, and there are lovely caring people who will do everything to save a young, healthy dog from being put to sleep needlessly.

missymoomoomee · 18/10/2012 12:41

Maybe Flatbread its because you are dishing out the abuse to a clearly upset and distressed op when you have, in fact, contributed to the problem. I also don't see any bullying going on other than from you to the op.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 18/10/2012 12:44

Bullying, you say? I believe that's bridge dwelling bingo